Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998The comic literally "contributed" the whole situation to the instance of a Lazarus-empowered Raphael Arce randomly using his one-off powers.
Even though the comic did contribute it to Doomsday's regen/adaptive powers?
Are you suggesting we ignore that Doomsday has never once psychically manifested himself in such a way, no matter how much biological material is present, before or after this specific instance?
That's your cup of tea. But given your absolute silence of the current Doombreaker storyline, color me skeptical.
Originally posted by ODG
The comic literally "contributed" the whole situation to the instance of a Lazarus-empowered Raphael Arce randomly using his one-off powers.Are you suggesting we ignore that Doomsday has never once psychically manifested himself in such a way, no matter how much biological material is present, before or after this specific instance?
That's your cup of tea. But given your absolute silence of the current Doombreaker storyline, color me skeptical.
Are you just completely ignore the comic's dialogue, and use your theory. Especially when your arguments could be easily categorized to "characters use some powers they rarely use" department?
In a real world scenario, the Hulk would eventually burn the flesh off of Doomsday and he’d die. The Hulk has always been linked to a source of power that is greater than Doomsday. If we were to look at this with a real world perspective, (which often drives plot) we would ignore the first to fall clause and follow this to it’s ultimate finale.
In my opinion, the Immortal Hulk would eventually overcome Doomsday.
I agree with ODG, Doomsday needed special circumstances to resurrect from memory. Why not resurrect from others that remember doomsday? Superman’s even mm when he was diagnosing the problem. He only got doomsday in him after taking him in. Doomsbreaker was not doomsday, it was a man that was turning into another doomsday.
With that said, doomsday still wins.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998Your Mageddon analogy would only be appropriate if Superman had multiple opportunities where he could've absorbed anti-sunlight but never did.
That's like saying Superman absorbs Mageddon's anti-sun light was "contributed" to the whole situation that Mageddon invaded Earth
I.E, the plot needs to show the abitliy of a character is not equal to the character needs such conditionAre you just completely ignore the comic's dialogue, and use your theory. Especially when your arguments could be easily categorized to "characters use some powers they rarely use" department?
Doomsday has had decades to respawn from memory. He never has. Not until some random plot contrivance.
Doomsday's regenerative nature was partly responsible for this, sure. And there is an argument suggesting that should or would happen again without a Lazarus-empowered Raphael Arce randomly using his one-off powers, ok. It's just a flimsy argument.
Originally posted by ODG
Your Mageddon analogy would only be appropriate if Superman had multiple opportunities where he could've absorbed anti-sunlight but never did.Doomsday has had decades to respawn from memory. He never has. Not until some random plot contrivance.
Doomsday's regenerative nature was partly responsible for this, sure. And there is an argument suggesting that should or would happen again without a Lazarus-empowered Raphael Arce randomly using his one-off powers, ok. It's just a flimsy argument.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Lol
Then, Darkseid's Omega Saction. Green Lantern's timestop, Black Adam's transformation ability etcetcetc
I can continue this list.
QWERTY you’re using carver’s tactics.
Why was doomsday able to grow from only Raphael Arce’s memory of Doomsday?
Practically everyone in dc comics has a memory of the monster that “killed” Superman. Why hasnt Doomsday resurrected himself since?
Originally posted by Diesldude
QWERTY you’re using carver’s tactics.
Why was doomsday able to grow from only Raphael Arce’s memory of Doomsday?
Practically everyone in dc comics has a memory of the monster that “killed” Superman. Why hasnt Doomsday resurrected himself since?
Say, how about Flash(es) can timestop when they're going lightspeed, for example?
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
How fast is timestop speed though? As far as we know, it can be just approaching to lightspeed/lightspeed
https://ibb.co/9bjmHX1And technically, you can argue Superman moves faster than time whenever he does time-travel
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998None of those examples were accompanied by a random plot device character empowered by a random plot device like Lazarus rain.
Lol
Then, Darkseid's Omega Saction. Green Lantern's timestop, Black Adam's transformation ability etcetcetc
I can continue this list.
Each of those instances, the characters just did what they did. If Darkseid had some weird minion that tapped into the Omega Force running around when he zapped Batman, yeah, it might be analogous. If Hal had some extra GL lantern floating around when he performed the time-stop, yeah, it be analogous. If Black Adam had some random Egyptian fairies flying about when he empowered the Justice League, yeah, it might be analogous.
But in none of the instances you're citing was there a random-a$$ plot device character that was intimately tied to the scene in question.
The scene is more analogous to Zatanna in Seven Soldiers fighting Zor while being connected to Gwydion. This seems so obvious and I'm becoming less interested in belaboring the point.
Originally posted by ODG
None of those examples were accompanied by a random plot device character empowered by a random plot device like Lazarus rain.Each of those instances, the characters just did what they did. If Darkseid had some weird minion that tapped into the Omega Force running around when he zapped Batman, yeah, it might be analogous. If Hal had some extra GL lantern floating around when he performed the time-stop, yeah, it be analogous. If Black Adam had some random Egyptian fairies flying about when he empowered the Justice League, yeah, it might be analogous.
But in none of the instances you're citing was there a random-a$$ plot device character that was intimately tied to the scene in question.
The scene is more analogous to Zatanna in Seven Soldiers fighting Zor while being connected to Gwydion. This seems so obvious and I'm becoming less interested in belaboring the point.
You first needs to prove the one you called "plot-device" actually plays a part in the scene. And your argument that "why not Doomsday uses this ability in other situations" can be easily chalked up to "characters that occassionally pull some new abilities out of nowhere" department.
At the very least, I can say my interpretaion holds same value as yours. But yeah, I would say this conversation seems less and less constructive since it's very obvious neither of us can change the other side's opinions
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Oh, then I guess you need first to prove this your so-called "plot-device" is explicitly stated to play a part in that scene.
You really trying to suggest that the Lazarus-empowered Raphael Arce had nothing to do with it? I mean... we both read the comic, so I see no point in posting the pages unless bystanders want to see them.
Originally posted by ODGYou really trying to suggest that the Lazarus-empowered Raphael Arce had nothing to do with it? I mean... we both read the comic, so I see no point in posting the pages unless bystanders want to see them.
You really trying to suggest a factor that the comic never mentioned, only contributes it to Doomsday's adaptive ability, IOW, only a *theory*(which also can contribute to "one-use power" moment, I.E, you can't really tell this scene is what you said or is "one-use power" moment) as a steel hard proof?
But like I said, it seems both of us can't change each other's opinions at this point
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998It might be unintentional, but I have not argued that this is an either/or situation. Your last few posts appear to be interpreting my argument as that of "Raphael Arce could resurrect people out of memories regardless of whether the target had reincarnation abilities." I suggest no such thing.
The opposite is also true.You really trying to suggest a factor that the comic never mentioned, only contributes it to Doomsday's adaptive ability, IOW, only a *theory*(which also can contribute to "one-use power" moment, I.E, you can't really tell this scene is what you said or is "one-use power" moment) as a steel hard proof?
But like I said, it seems both of us can't change each other's opinions at this point
I am arguing against the inverse of that proposition: "Doomsday could resurrect out of memories regardless of whether a special psychic like Raphael Arce were present."
Hope that clears it up.
Originally posted by ODG
It might be unintentional, but I have not argued that this is an either/or situation. Your last few posts appear to be interpreting my argument as that of "Raphael Arce could resurrect people out of memories regardless of whether the target had reincarnation abilities." I suggest no such thing.I am arguing against the inverse of that proposition: "Doomsday could resurrect out of memories regardless of whether a special psychic like Raphael Arce were present."
Hope that clears it up.
But like I said, this subject seems to be a dead end as neither of us can convince another at this point.