Zod (DCEU) vs Steppenwolf (DCEU Snyder Cut)

Originally posted by h1a8
So colliding with her (with fists, shoulders, or head) from a distance using great speed is not equivalent to hitting her, especially in reference to reaction times?
Lol

If you read your initial statement with some basic reading comprehension you are basically saying that Faora was always faster than Superman.

If she wasn't then that contradicts your whole point.
Do you understand?

If you actually read my statements, I said Faora was dodging Superman's shots other than the times Superman grappled with her.

Now please go and read what I actually said before you make more stuff up.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If you actually read my statements, I said Faora was dodging Superman's shots other than the times Superman grappled with her.

Now please go and read what I actually said before you make more stuff up.

1. You concede the point about Superman hitting her (you claimed he didn't). Good!

2. If Superman wasn't faster than her at any time then that destroys your point. You can try to weasel out by telling me what you didn't say exactly. So what is it? Faora was always faster than Superman or Superman was faster than Faora at a time? If the latter then your point is defeated. Concession accepted

Originally posted by h1a8
1. You concede the point about Superman hitting her (you claimed he didn't). Good!

2. If Superman wasn't faster than her at any time then that destroys your point. You can try to weasel out by telling me what you didn't say exactly. So what is it? Faora was always faster than Superman or Superman was faster than Faora at a time? If the latter then your point is defeated. Concession accepted

1. It depends on whether you consider grappling attacks as "hits". Because I've been clear since the very beginning that Superman couldn't land strikes on Faora but that he was able to lay a hand on her via grappling attacks. My stance on this has not changed one bit, so I have conceded nothing.

2. You do realize that simply being faster than someone doesn't mean they'll never be able to land any kind of attack on you, yes? My claim was that Faora is faster than Superman, not that she was completely blitzing the hell out of him. Same way Ali is faster than Foreman or Mayweather is faster than Canelo. There was a clear difference in speed between these opponents but that doesn't mean they were completely unhittable.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. It depends on whether you consider grappling attacks as "hits". Because I've been clear since the very beginning that Superman couldn't land strikes on Faora but that he was able to lay a hand on her via grappling attacks. My stance on this has not changed one bit, so I have conceded nothing.

2. You do realize that simply being faster than someone doesn't mean they'll never be able to land any kind of attack on you, yes? My claim was that Faora is faster than Superman, not that she was completely blitzing the hell out of him. Same way Ali is faster than Foreman or Mayweather is faster than Canelo. There was a clear difference in speed between these opponents but that doesn't mean they were completely unhittable.

1. He collided with her at full speed. Where's the grab? No grab was shown.
Also his arms were extended forward with fists made as he flew into her. He most likely struck her with his fists. But Assuming his shoulder collided with her instead (and not his fists), he could have just as easily made his fists collide instead.

2. You claimed she was faster because Superman couldn't land a blow. But According to your recent statement : being faster doesnt mean the slower can't land an attack.

Bottomline: your original premise to conclusion is that since Superman is too slow to land a blow on her he's therefore slower.
This argument is faulty because Superman did land a blow on her.

Then you want to try to change the goalposts lol.
Go ahead and continue to change your argument up. That's proof of bias. We shouldn't debate to win a debate. We debate to ascertain the truth.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. He collided with her at full speed. Where's the grab? No grab was shown.
Also his arms were extended forward with fists made as he flew into her. He most likely struck her with his fists. But Assuming his shoulder collided with her instead (and not his fists), he could have just as easily made his fists collide instead.

2. You claimed she was faster because Superman couldn't land a blow. But According to your recent statement : being faster doesnt mean the slower can't land an attack.

Bottomline: your original premise to conclusion is that since Superman is too slow to land a blow on her he's therefore slower.
This argument is faulty because Superman did land a blow on her.

Then you want to try to change the goalposts lol.
Go ahead and continue to change your argument up. That's proof of bias. We shouldn't debate to win a debate. We debate to ascertain the truth.

1. A tackle is a grappling attack. Especially when they're stuck together for a bit, body-on-body and moving together as was shown. Only an idiot would try argue otherwise. Are you an idiot?

2. Yes, I claimed Superman couldn't land a blow as in a strike. I said all the attacks of his that landed were grappling attacks. Not saying he would never be able to land a blow, I'm just describing what exactly is shown on screen. Based on that, yes, Faora is faster than Superman. Nothing you've said to this point has countered my argument.

Show me a scene where Superman landed strikes on Faora (and not grappling attacks) then we can have a discussion. Till then, I'm not interested in playing word gymnastics with you.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. A tackle is a grappling attack. Especially when they're stuck together for a bit, body-on-body and moving together as was shown. Only an idiot would try argue otherwise. Are you an idiot?

2. Yes, I claimed Superman couldn't land a blow as in a strike. I said all the attacks of his that landed were grappling attacks. Not saying he would never be able to land a blow, I'm just describing what exactly is shown on screen. Based on that, yes, Faora is faster than Superman. Nothing you've said to this point has countered my argument.

Show me a scene where Superman landed strikes on Faora (and not grappling attacks) then we can have a discussion. Till then, I'm not interested in playing word gymnastics with you.

1. You have to actually grab in order to grapple. You know, wrap your arms (or hands) around something. Superman flew into her with his fists forward. He most likely collided with his fists, at worst his shoulder. There was no grabbing shown.
Now you can speculate that he grabbed her after his collision with his shoulder (or fists).

2. So if Superman flew into her with his fists instead of grapple her (as you say) then you are telling me that he wouldn't have succeeded in striking her? Mind you, she didn't even respond at all to the whole thing. She just stood there like a sitting duck.

I finally watched The Flash and Zod would beat the piss out of Steppenwolf. Zod repeatedly tagged and even caught younger Barry by the throat at one point when he kept going back to try and save Kara. The speed difference here is so vast that Steppenwolf would never lay a finger on Zod.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. You have to actually grab in order to grapple. You know, wrap your arms (or hands) around something. Superman flew into her with his fists forward. He most likely collided with his fists, at worst his shoulder. There was no grabbing shown.
Now you can speculate that he grabbed her after his collision with his shoulder (or fists).

2. So if Superman flew into her with his fists instead of grapple her (as you say) then you are telling me that he wouldn't have succeeded in striking her? Mind you, she didn't even respond at all to the whole thing. She just stood there like a sitting duck.

You ever try to bob and weave around someone trying to tackle you? Try it out, then you'll understand the difference. Till then, maybe shut-up about stuff you clearly don't know anything about.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You ever try to bob and weave around someone trying to tackle you? Try it out, then you'll understand the difference. Till then, maybe shut-up about stuff you clearly don't know anything about.

If Faora was faster then she could have zipped sideways a few feet away and avoided the collision altogether.

Imagine someone flying at someone else in slow motion. The standing person doesn't move the whole time. It's like they are frozen. You telling me that if the flying person chose to make initial contact with their fists vs their shoulder or bicep then the frozen person would somehow become unfrozen and zip to the side? And somehow they couldn't become unfrozen when a bicep or shoulder is headed towards them instead?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Kneel 🙂

Egg on my face!

Didn't read back, but is H1 arguing that Steppenwolf beats Zod now? Cos lol.

Originally posted by h1a8
What does Bob and weave have to do with someone FLYING into you with their fists?

If Faora was faster then she could have zipped sideways a few feet away and avoided the collision altogether.

Imagine someone flying at someone else in slow motion. The standing person doesn't move the whole time. It's like they are frozen. You telling me that if the flying person chose to make initial contact with their fists vs their shoulder or bicep then the frozen person would somehow become unfrozen and zip to the side? And somehow they couldn't become unfrozen when a bicep or shoulder is headed towards them instead?

Thank you for admitting you have no idea what the difference is between punching someone and tackling them, nor do you seem to understand what bobbing and weaving is used for.

I suggest you learn these things first before making a fool of yourself further. Hint: tackling someone while you have your fists outstretched is not a punch.

Originally posted by Robtard
Didn't read back, but is H1 arguing that Steppenwolf beats Zod now? Cos lol.

Nah, H1 has gone off tangent and is simply arguing that Superman was speedblitzing Faora in their first fight

Originally posted by FrothByte
Thank you for admitting you have no idea what the difference is between punching someone and tackling them, nor do you seem to understand what bobbing and weaving is used for.

I suggest you learn these things first before making a fool of yourself further. Hint: tackling someone while you have your fists outstretched is not a punch.

If Superman flew into her faster than she can RESPOND and move to the side (dodge him) then that proves he is just as fast or faster than her.

My entire point was certain levels of superspeed needs to be activated (through anger or concentration). It wasn't activated when Superman first faced Faora. A higher level got activated when Superman became pissed at what Faora told him.

Zod's higher level of speed was activated by flash. JL Superman's speed was activated the same way Zod's was.