Originally posted by carver9
The same guy who said that, also said these robots are stronger than Superman and faster (and smarter) than Superman.But it took 3 to take down Batman, Hawkman were ripping through them with ease, Aquaman took out one and a group of them were taken out with a rannian gun. Do you think these people can take on and kill a gang of beings stronger, faster and smarter than Superman in one hit? Yes or no? You'll probably say no and you know what I'm going to say after that...
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In comics weaker characters take down stronger characters all the time. Its called fiction inconsistency. What does that have to do with what I said?
Not knowing an unknown being's power level has nothing to do with knowing what the chains did in the past.
Prediction has nothing to do with stating things that already happened.
I can predict the mma fighter A will beat mma fighter B because he's stronger, faster, etc. I can state that mma fighter A lost to mma fighter B last year. Those are two different things Carv
Bottomline : If the writer's intent for a character to be lying then he would make the audience aware of it.
Originally posted by h1a8
In comics weaker characters take down stronger characters all the time. Its called fiction inconsistency. What does that have to do with what I said?
Not knowing an unknown being's power level has nothing to do with knowing what the chains did in the past.
Prediction has nothing to do with stating things that already happened.I can predict the mma fighter A will beat mma fighter B because he's stronger, faster, etc. I can state that mma fighter A lost to mma fighter B last year. Those are two different things Carv
Bottomline : If the writer's intent for a character to be lying then he would make the audience aware of it.
This is an excuse. Again, was his statement there legit or false
Originally posted by h1a8
If the writer doesn't reveal someone is lying then they aren't. That's a fact. It's called storytelling.
His statements have no credibility. Period. The chains doesn't have any fts. The guy who talked about the chains doesn't have any credibility. No matter how much you try to twist this his statement holds no weight. He didn't predict sh**. He outright said those robots are stronger, faster, smarter and beyond Superman comprehension. He either lied or he didn't lie. If he didn't lie, Superman sucks, if he did lie, then anything from him can not be taking as legit.
Originally posted by carver9
His statements have no credibility. Period. The chains doesn't have any fts. The guy who talked about the chains doesn't have any credibility. No matter how much you try to twist this his statement holds no weight. He didn't predict sh**. He outright said those robots are stronger, faster, smarter and beyond Superman comprehension. He either lied or he didn't lie. If he didn't lie, Superman sucks, if he did lie, then anything from him can not be taking as legit.
Credibility has nothing to do with reporting information that has already happened vs predicting the outcome of a fight. I can predict character A beats character B and it be unreliable. That has no bearing on me reporting past events. The chains HAVE BEEN used to tow stars in the past. This is something that has happened.
So you are telling me that it doesn't matter what the writer intent is, the writer doesn't have absolute control over what he wants to be the case?
Originally posted by h1a8
Credibility has nothing to do with reporting information that has already happened vs predicting the outcome of a fight. I can predict character A beats character B and it be unreliable. That has no bearing on me reporting past events. The chains HAVE BEEN used to tow stars in the past. This is something that has happened.So you are telling me that it doesn't matter what the writer intent is, the writer doesn't have absolute control over what he wants to be the case?
His credibility was ruined as soon as he lied about the robots. Also, we don't know if the chains happened unless you have on panel proof. If you're going to hold statements as FACTS, Gladiator is able to wrest planets from their orbit and collapse stars with his barehand...
Move planets...
Oooorrrrrr, his son said that he has seen Gladiator punch moons to dust and rip black holes apart with his barehand...
These statements piss on the ft for Superman by the way. Also, this is writer intent, lmmfao. The writer wrote all of this. His intention was to mention how strong Gladiator is. Is this the way we debate now?
Originally posted by carver9
His credibility was ruined as soon as he lied about the robots. Also, we don't know if the chains happened unless you have on panel proof. If you're going to hold statements as FACTS, Gladiator is able to wrest planets from their orbit and collapse stars with his barehand...Move planets...
Oooorrrrrr, his son said that he has seen Gladiator punch moons to dust and rip black holes apart with his barehand...
These statements piss on the ft for Superman by the way. Also, this is writer intent, lmmfao. The writer wrote all of this. His intention was to mention how strong Gladiator is. Is this the way we debate now?
His statement was past tense. That means the chains were used to tow stars.
Again, the writer is the boss. He has absolute artistic license. Not you.
None of those feats come close to breaking the chains.
That’s millions if not billions of stellar masses of force.
Originally posted by tkitna
I'm just curious. How much force would it take to rip a black hole apart with your bare hands?
Originally posted by carver9
So Gladiator CAN rip black holes in half with his hands? That statement was past tense.
The feat can't be done with human sized physical hands. A black hole is the size of an atom (possibly smaller). There is no way to even grab something that small to even rip it. The writer had no clue what a black hole is. Maybe he believes the region on space surrounding the black hole (the event horizon) is the actual black hole. If that's the case then that region is made of space, not matter. There is nothing to physically grab.
Originally posted by h1a8
The feat can't be done with human sized physical hands. A black hole is the size of an atom (possibly smaller). There is no way to even grab something that small to even rip it. The writer had no clue what a black hole is. Maybe he believes the region on space surrounding the black hole (the event horizon) is the actual black hole. If that's the case then that region is made of space, not matter. There is nothing to physically grab.
Gladiator did it, so it stays. Writer intent.
Originally posted by h1a8
The feat can't be done with human sized physical hands. A black hole is the size of an atom (possibly smaller). There is no way to even grab something that small to even rip it.
The gigantic black hole, not counting the giant rings of trapped light orbiting it, is about 23.6 billion miles (38 billion kilometers) across, according to Science News. Meanwhile, the Earth is just 7,917 miles in diameter — meaning our planet wouldn't even be a drop in the bucket of the giant, black void.
The black holes shown, which range from 100,000 to more than 60 billion times our Sun's mass, are scaled according to the sizes of their shadows – a circular zone about twice the size of their event horizons. Only one of these colossal objects resides in our own galaxy, and it lies 26,000 light-years away
I guess not all black holes are created equal.
Originally posted by tkitna
The gigantic black hole, not counting the giant rings of trapped light orbiting it, is about 23.6 billion miles (38 billion kilometers) across, according to Science News. Meanwhile, the Earth is just 7,917 miles in diameter — meaning our planet wouldn't even be a drop in the bucket of the giant, black void.The black holes shown, which range from 100,000 to more than 60 billion times our Sun's mass, are scaled according to the sizes of their shadows – a circular zone about twice the size of their event horizons. Only one of these colossal objects resides in our own galaxy, and it lies 26,000 light-years away
I guess not all black holes are created equal.
You are referring to the size of the event horizons (or regions of space surrounding the black hole where light can no longer escape).
All black holes are the same size (infinitesimal points). They just differ in mass and thus size of their event horizons.
The writer clearly believes the event horizon is the black hole itself.
If that's the case then Gladiator grabbed a region of space and separated it. Not logically possible and therefore unquantifiable.
Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator did it, so it stays. Writer intent.
It's impossible to do physically. There is nothing to grab. A black hole is so small it basically doesn't exist (a singularity). The only thing you will see is the event horizon, which is just a region of space. So Gladiator separating a region of space is unquantifiable.
You can't quantify something that's logically impossible to do.
Grabbing space and separating it iby physical force is logically impossible and not quantifiable by any means.
Originally posted by h1a8
It's impossible to do physically. There is nothing to grab. A black hole is so small it basically doesn't exist (a singularity). The only thing you will see is the event horizon, which is just a region of space. So Gladiator separating a region of space is unquantifiable.You can't quantify something that's logically impossible to do.
Grabbing space and separating it iby physical force is logically impossible and not quantifiable by any means.
We are talking about comics. A lot of sh** happens that is impossible. The ft stays. Writers intent.
Originally posted by carver9
We are talking about comics. A lot of sh** happens that is impossible. The ft stays. Writers intent.
It's a difference between scientifically impossible and logically impossible.
We accept scientifically impossible in fiction. But nothing logically impossible can be achieved (not even by God).
Grabbing space is unquantifiable. Therefore it's no feat at all.
If you disagree then please quantify it for us. Give us the amount of force it would take to grab air or space (nothingness) and separate it into two pieces.