Originally posted by SmurphWe humans have speed feats in comparison to a snail. Doesn't mean we can fight beings much faster than us on equal speed terms. They're are levels to speed. Superspeed alone doesn't make you immune to being statued or blitzed.
But unlike Odinson, Jane actually has some speed feats, in addition to the obvious range and battlefield control advantages.
Imagine blitzing an entire team SIMULTANEOUSLY (including Superman) before they can respond (Superman stating that he didn't see him move). How do make 5 plus hits (after standing over 100 yd away) appear as 1 hit that happens so fast that Superman complains of his speed?
Then you have the writer's intent of him being comparable to Flash.
He has bony protrusions which adds to his deadliness.
That era Superman was not particularly impressive, at least by Superman standards. While he had a few speed feats under his belt, I don't put a ton of stock into his dialogue bubbles fretting about Doomsday, and I don't assume that Supes was always written at nanosecond speeds - particularly when he seemed to be moving at the same speed as Fire and Booster Gold.
As for the rest of that team, Jane "I know how to move like lightning" Thor could have blitzed them too. To say nothing of Mjolnir.
Originally posted by Smurph
That era Superman was not particularly impressive, at least by Superman standards. While he had a few speed feats under his belt, I don't put a ton of stock into his dialogue bubbles fretting about Doomsday, and I don't assume that Supes was always written at nanosecond speeds - particularly when he seemed to be moving at the same speed as Fire and Booster Gold.As for the rest of that team, Jane "I know how to move like lightning" Thor could have blitzed them too. To say nothing of Mjolnir.
Superman and flash were some of the fastest (combat wise) beings in comics at the time. Plus we have writer's intent to add to the feats (DD was written to be as fast as flash)
Originally posted by Smurph
That era Superman was not particularly impressive, at least by Superman standards. While he had a few speed feats under his belt, I don't put a ton of stock into his dialogue bubbles fretting about Doomsday, and I don't assume that Supes was always written at nanosecond speeds - particularly when he seemed to be moving at the same speed as Fire and Booster Gold.As for the rest of that team, Jane "I know how to move like lightning" Thor could have blitzed them too. To say nothing of Mjolnir.
Originally posted by Smurph
Ah yes, writer's intent.
https://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14491
Byrne flat out said no that Hercules could even ko Superman. Jurgens in 91 said Surfer would be lucky to get 1/100 win against Superman, etc, etc.
It's funny how highly people rate classic Mangog because of Odin and the Asgardians. But in those comics the Asgardians were so weak that they were getting killed by falling 20 ft down into water. Thor was getting koed by falling off Mangog's back.
People ignore that but bring up the low showings in DOS. Double standards
Originally posted by abhilegendlol
Yes, Writer's intent. While Byrne Superman wasn't impressive as per Superman standards, he was still beyond Thor or Hercules level character's ability to ko or kill as it happened in DoS.https://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14491
Byrne flat out said no that Hercules could even ko Superman. Jurgens in 91 said Surfer would be lucky to get 1/100 win against Superman, etc, etc.