Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Time Immemorial, Cdtm and Delta are huge Trumpers, also happen to be huge Supes fans. Typical.The only pure Superman fan without a sin is Qwerty
qwerty is pure at heart
truth justice and the chines ccp way ftw
his heart bleed red just like mine
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Originally posted by AstnerThe feat isn't that great.
It's not a clear feat to begin with because we have no idea how powerful the explosion was or how much he had to endure before he was hurled into the time-stream.But I don't see any point in even arguing this since Smurph outlined a very specific version of Doomsday who is clearly nowhere near Thor's level. Sure, he can change the conditions of the fight to make it a bit more fair. But let's not pretend that Superman's and Doomsday's city-level brawl is comparable to Thor's and Odin's interplanetary fight.
1. Apparently both Odin and Thor can fly as you see was Jane was flying (without the hammer) with a small asteroid in her hands. So it's possible They could have been flying during those punches.
2. All of Jane's fights in an atmosphere doesn't match your assumption of the feat.
3. Barely creates a crater when knocked to a moon.
Originally posted by h1a8We know that Superman wasn't moving at top speed because in the next issue he says he has to start moving faster to keep up with Doomsday.
How fast do you have to be to hit 5 people spread out (including Superman) all at the same time starting from hundreds of feet back?
There should be more. That's just off the top of my head.
You're trying so hard to build up that feat into something bigger than it is. They weren't spread out; they were basically standing in a line. Most of them have no superspeed.
Can we infer that DoS Doomsday was fast? Sure.
Fast enough to blitz Jane? No. No proof that he was moving faster than Jane's neurosurgery feat. No proof that he was moving faster than Mjolnir.
Originally posted by h1a8
Yes he struggled to ko Thor at times when Thor was getting koed by just falling off his Back.
So basically falling off back >>>>> Mangog's punches
😆I'm kidding. But if you want to argue consistently and use Mangog whipping up on Asgardians (who were shown to be weak as humans) as why he is Sky father level and can stomp high heralds then you have to ignore those low showings.
DD high showings are killing many many lanterns, killing Superman (almost), No selling Martian Mamhunters hardest punch. No selling the entire leagues energy blasts combined. Blitzing Superman faster than he can see him move (same guy that can statue bullets) while simultaneously hitting 4-5 other members. Easily able to stab Superman with his protrusions. Able to leap 50 miles at a time.
How fast do you have to be to hit 5 people spread out (including Superman) all at the same time starting from hundreds of feet back?
There should be more. That's just off the top of my head.
Show me Thor getting koed by falling off Mangog.
Also, this is DOS Doomsday. This fight is fts only from DOS. What you're mentioning doesn't count for this Doomsday.
Originally posted by carver9
Show me Thor getting koed by falling off Mangog.Also, this is DOS Doomsday. This fight is fts only from DOS. What you're mentioning doesn't count for this Doomsday.
So his feats prior to the events of DOS doesn't count? Feats from Superman prior to DOS doesn't count?
So you didn't read the classic Mangog comics? Ok I'll post a scan when I get time. Unless someone here beats me to it.
Originally posted by SmurphThey were spread out (sideways from each other, not front to back lol). Superman does need to concentrate to increase his speed. But his natural speed (no concentration needed) is already insane. He even has a nanosecond speed feat before that event (no concentration necessary).
We know that Superman wasn't moving at top speed because in the next issue he says he has to start moving faster to keep up with Doomsday.You're trying so hard to build up that feat into something bigger than it is. They weren't spread out; they were basically standing in a line. Most of them have no superspeed.
Can we infer that DoS Doomsday was fast? Sure.
Fast enough to blitz Jane? No. No proof that he was moving faster than Jane's neurosurgery feat. No proof that he was moving faster than Mjolnir.
They can all be bowling pins for all I care. You can't hit 5 individuals (separated sideways by a few feet apart with Superman included) all at the same time without being insanely fast.
We have no idea how fast Jane was moving. But that is a very good speed feat.
Looking again, she's faster than I once thought. Might have to rethink this fight.
I'll just say this.
If DD was moving anything close to the speed of light or above then he wins. If he was moving significantly slower (which Superman complains of his speed would make that nonsensical) then he loses.
With speed equalized the Jane wins imo. But if DD is significantly faster then I feel he wins.
Fwiw, my intention was to use the same DoS Doomsday referred to in the tiers thread. People can argue about what that means if they want, but don't rely on additional constraints imposed by OP.
As well, when I wrote "Fight in NYC", I didn't mean confined to NYC. Just a starting point. Shoulda been clearer.