Originally posted by h1a8
He would get one shot easily.
He only has a shield.
They can become invisible and plasma cannon him.
Killer nets, homing blades, etc.The alien alone will stomp him.
Who has one shot Cap? Thanos? Exactly. Thanos >>> Predators
Cap only needs a shield.
If a clocked Predator fires up the caster, he's going to expose his position and Cap can easily block those shots with his shield while closing the distance.
Cap's handled worse.
Nope. He'd beat down any Predator 1v1.
Originally posted by h1a8
tossing a motorcycle is a speck of dust in the realm of superstrength. Exerting a few thousand pounds in Holding a helicopter is also a speck of dust.
You actually think the weakest predator can't do those things?
Give me some examples of Predators displaying such strength.
Also H1, do you see how you are the only person convinced that the Predators stomp? At some point you need to take a long, hard look at yourself.
Originally posted by tkitnaSo you are not familiar with predators?
Give me some examples of Predators displaying such strength.Also H1, do you see how you are the only person convinced that the Predators stomp? At some point you need to take a long, hard look at yourself.
You know tossing a motorcycle is a very low level strength feat right?
Preventing that helicopter from leaving = holding a few thousand pounds.
Predators not being able to hold a few thousand pounds? Really? You are trolling at this point. If you are not familiar with predators then perhaps you shouldn't be debating this topic. Ripping a spinal column out from all the connective tissues and muscles takes over 40 tons of force, yet they can do it effortlessly (hence, multiple times this strength).
Predators are not only physically superior to most of the avengers but they have many long ranged options, in which each can one shot each member of the avengers. Plus that's not even adding invisibility.
Predators have shown great fighting skill multiple times. It's basically built into their plot.
The Prealien is physically far above any Predator. Plus it's blood is acid.
Originally posted by Robtard
Who has one shot Cap? Thanos? Exactly. Thanos >>> PredatorsCap only needs a shield.
If a clocked Predator fires up the caster, he's going to expose his position and Cap can easily block those shots with his shield while closing the distance.
Cap's handled worse.
Nope. He'd beat down any Predator 1v1.
I wasn't saying they can one shot Cap with a punch. Geez
But with their weapons (blades, nets, homing blades, canons, etc).
Cap's legs and feet are exposed. Cap closing the distance blind (shield covering his face).
If Cap does close the distance then it would take him many hits to phase them vs just one hit (weapons) from them. He throws the shield (which he is prone to do) and he dies quicker.
You are forgetting it is multiple Preds here with a Predalien. The Predalien will spite stomp Cap.
The rest of the avengers aren't Cap. Think about that.
The problem here is that the Predators have never faced any superhumans before (outside of Aliens). The most they've gone up with are trained military personnel which is still a notch below even guys like Hawkeye and Black Widow.
In comparison, the Avengers have gone up against multiple superhuman opponents already and some of those with advanced weaponry.
The preds aren't really going to be anything new to Cap's team. Yeah, they'll pose a threat and there's a chance some of the weaker members of Cap's team can get severely injured but they're still winning.
Originally posted by h1a8
So you are not familiar with predators?
That's like asking me when did Superman display such strength.You know tossing a motorcycle is a very low level strength feat right?
Preventing that helicopter from leaving = holding a few thousand pounds.Predators not being able to hold a few thousand pounds? Really? You are trolling at this point. If you are not familiar with predators then perhaps you shouldn't be debating this topic. Ripping a spinal column out from all the connective tissues and muscles takes over 40 tons of force, yet they can do it effortlessly (hence, multiple times this strength).
Predators are not only physically superior to most of the avengers but they have many long ranged options, in which each can one shot each member of the avengers. Plus that's not even adding invisibility.
Predators have shown great fighting skill multiple times. It's basically built into their plot.The Prealien is physically far above any Predator. Plus it's blood is acid.
😆 Where do you come up with these made up numbers?
I swear you argue for the losing team constantly just so people will pay attention to you.
Originally posted by tkitnaActually I don't know. I got it from an online source Vsauce. He supposedly is a science guru.
😆 Where do you come up with these made up numbers?I swear you argue for the losing team constantly just so people will pay attention to you.
Originally posted by FrothByteThis is a PIS free setting. Imo these things are far more dangerous than anything they faced. Only Cap has something reliable to block stuff with. But the moment he throws it then it is over. The others can't survive any of their weaponry. A simple net will kill them. Combi stick slices through anything they have except the shield. Homing blades that follow and travel very fast and cut through any material they have (except the shield). Plasma canons, etc
The problem here is that the Predators have never faced any superhumans before (outside of Aliens). The most they've gone up with are trained military personnel which is still a notch below even guys like Hawkeye and Black Widow.In comparison, the Avengers have gone up against multiple superhuman opponents already and some of those with advanced weaponry.
The preds aren't really going to be anything new to Cap's team. Yeah, they'll pose a threat and there's a chance some of the weaker members of Cap's team can get severely injured but they're still winning.
I wanna say the predalien solos. They would barely faze it. It is extremely fast and far more powerful than any predator. If they cause it to bleed then the acid will kill them.
Only in a movie where PIS exists can they win.
Think of "Last Action Hero". They have no plot armor here.
Originally posted by h1a8
I wasn't saying they can one shot Cap with a punch. Geez
But with their weapons (blades, nets, homing blades, canons, etc).Cap's legs and feet are exposed. Cap closing the distance blind (shield covering his face).
If Cap does close the distance then it would take him many hits to phase them vs just one hit (weapons) from them. He throws the shield (which he is prone to do) and he dies quicker.
You are forgetting it is multiple Preds here with a Predalien. The Predalien will spite stomp Cap.The rest of the avengers aren't Cap. Think about that.
You literally said Cap would get one-shot, now I made you back-peddle and amendments. Good.
So? The Preds are fully exposed.
Not "if", when Cap closes the distance he would beat down any Predator up close, he is leagues above them in fighting prowess. Cap literally fights super-powered beings for a living.
I was strictly speaking about Cap facing any single Predator and being their superior. But team Avengers would win here too. They literally fight super-powered beings for a living.
Predator (1987) Killed by a trained human
Predator 2 (1990) Killed by a human cop
Predators (2010) Killed by a trained human
The Predator (2018) Killed by a trained human
Prey (2022) Killed by a petite girl
See a pattern? Yup.
You could also find plenty of bad showings for preds in comics, too.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Are any of you guys actually knowledgeable on Predator lore and canon, or do the movies just give you boners? Predator canon is full of normal human samurai, soldiers (past/present and future) killing Preds in one on one combat. Machiko only had a brown belt in Karate, and she has killed Predators in h2h and even Xenomorph Queens...Do some research people.
Originally posted by jinzin
Dutch from the first movie has a brother in the Darkhorse comics who has a tendancy to dance with Preds one on one and he's beaten several in combat.
As I said before in a strict h2h fight with this woman Machiko a blooded bug hunting vet started to lose a fight with her until his friends began to cheat.
The newer/stronger/bigger Predators from the new film, Falconer Pred got killed in a sword duel with a mere Yakuza member.There's a lot of instances of Preds getting killed off left and right when they lose their invisability. Colonial Marines have dropped them in droves.
They've never displayed mass amounts of skill in a h2h fight... because most Pred's are not technically fighters, they're hunters.
It's one of the major reasons that Bad-blood Predators are so dangerous.
Originally posted by Robtard
You literally said Cap would get one-shot, now I made you back-peddle and amendments. Good.So? The Preds are fully exposed.
Not "if", when Cap closes the distance he would beat down any Predator up close, he is leagues above them in fighting prowess. Cap literally fights super-powered beings for a living.
I was strictly speaking about Cap facing any single Predator and being their superior. But team Avengers would win here too. They literally fight super-powered beings for a living.
Predator (1987) Killed by a trained human
Predator 2 (1990) Killed by a human cop
Predators (2010) Killed by a trained human
The Predator (2018) Killed by a trained human
Prey (2022) Killed by a petite girlSee a pattern? Yup.
Cap will lose to most Predators up close in a h2h fight (some he can win). But when it comes to their weapons they will tag him. Cap fights super-powered beings (on the level of a Pred and higher) AND LOSING is not a feat. Can hasn't once fought a skilled Super-powered being alone and won (except Bucky).
And this is a forum fight, there is no PIS or plot armor here.
Preds only lost due to plot (prep, environment, and special circumstances existed)
In a straight fight (no prep and open field) the Preds will be undefeated against all the humans they lost to.
You are trolling at this point. Arguing losses that are irrelevant to forum setting.
Originally posted by h1a8
How do the avengers beat the Predalien alone?
Especially with the other Preds being invisible shooting plasma canons and homing blades at them?Black widow dies
Hawkeye dies
Bucky dies
Cap lasts but will eventually fall.
Clint shoots him in the head and explodes him while they are behind Cap or a tree. He also shoots a smoke arrow to nullify the invisibility and to give themselves cover to attack. Glowing red plasma shooters are easy enough to see to pinpoint the predators at that point.
Predators lose every single time.
Originally posted by h1a8
How can I back peddle when I DIDN'T CHANGE WHAT I MEANT. You are simply arguing semantics. In school we learned CONTEXT CLUES. I gave HOW they would one shot in addition to saying the statement. Reading is fundamental.Cap will lose to most Predators up close in a h2h fight (some he can win). But when it comes to their weapons they will tag him. Cap fights super-powered beings (on the level of a Pred and higher) AND LOSING is not a feat. Can hasn't once fought a skilled Super-powered being alone and won (except Bucky).
And this is a forum fight, there is no PIS or plot armor here.
Preds only lost due to plot (prep, environment, and special circumstances existed)
In a straight fight (no prep and open field) the Preds will be undefeated against all the humans they lost to.
You are trolling at this point. Arguing losses that are irrelevant to forum setting.
You did change, I made you add to your previous faulty statement of fact, so it wouldn't sound so silly.
No, Cap would literally beat them all.
You're making a categorically false statement again. Cap didn't lose to most super-powered beings, he beat them or stalemated:
-Cap beat Spider-Man and as Tony Stark noted, Cap was holding back and could have ended it quick. Spider-Man would demolish any Predator, more than one at a time too.
-Cap beat the Red Skull. The Red Skull would probably beat most Predators.
-Cap beat The Winter Solider. The Winter Soldier would beat any Predator.
-Cap beat his younger 2012 version. 2012 Cap would beat any Predator.
-Cap beat Crossbones, while not super-powered, his power-armor made him super.
-Cap stalemated with the Black Panther. Black Panther would demolish any Predator.
So your argument now is we don't count the Predators' losses, but we count Captain America's losses. Your silly antics are in full display again.
Originally posted by Robtard
You did change, I made you add to your previous faulty statement of fact, so it wouldn't sound so silly.No, Cap would literally beat them all.
You're making a categorically false statement again. Cap didn't lose to most super-powered beings, he beat them or stalemated:
-Cap beat Spider-Man and as Tony Stark noted, Cap was holding back and could have ended it quick. Spider-Man would demolish any Predator, more than one at a time too.
-Cap beat the Red Skull. The Red Skull would probably beat most Predators.
-Cap beat The Winter Solider. The Winter Soldier would beat any Predator.
-Cap beat his younger 2012 version. 2012 Cap would beat any Predator.
-Cap beat Crossbones, while not super-powered, his power-armor made him super.
-Cap stalemated with the Black Panther. Black Panther would demolish any Predator.
So your argument now is we don't count the Predators' losses, but we count Captain America's losses. Your silly antics are in full display again.
Here's proof that you are an idiot.
This is my post
Originally posted by h1a8
He would get one shot easily.
He only has a shield.
They can become invisible and plasma cannon him.
Killer nets, homing blades, etc.The alien alone will stomp him.
Do you see the plasma cannon part? How in the universe did you take this to mean they can one shot him with a punch?
Cap will lose to most predators. He will get tagged eventually. And their weaponry are one shot attacks.
In this fight you have multiple Preds shooting long range and a very fast and powerful Predalien decimating the team in seconds.
Originally posted by h1a8
Here's proof that you are an idiot.
This is my postDo you see the plasma cannon part? How in the universe did you take this to mean they can one shot him with a punch?
Cap will lose to most predators. He will get tagged eventually. And their weaponry are one shot attacks.
In this fight you have multiple Preds shooting long range and a very fast and powerful Predalien decimating the team in seconds.
Yes, continue to ignore that I disproved your categorically false statements above. A cowardly strategy.
Predator weapons are one-shot against normal humans and aliens. Captain America is neither. eg The Chitauri plasma rifles were killing people with one shot, while Cap literally shrugged it off. Cap survived a punch to the face from Thanos, the guy who rag-dolled the Hulk.
Cap has consistently shown an uncanny ability to block shots with his shield or dodge-dive to evade.
Your points are once against picked apart with logic and film facts 👆