Originally posted by tkitna
Give me some examples of Predators displaying such strength.Also H1, do you see how you are the only person convinced that the Predators stomp? At some point you need to take a long, hard look at yourself.
Predalien (AvP2)
Upgraded Predator (The Predator)
Feral Predator (Prey)
These 3 would definitely throw motorcycles around.
The Feral Pred was fighting a Grizzly in close combat, wrestling. The upgraded Pred was tossing another Pred around like he was nothing.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, continue to ignore that I disproved your categorically false statements above. A cowardly strategy.Predator weapons are one-shot against normal humans and aliens. Captain America is neither. eg The Chitauri plasma rifles were killing people with one shot, while Cap literally shrugged it off. Cap survived a punch to the face from Thanos, the guy who rag-dolled the Hulk.
Cap has consistently shown an uncanny ability to block shots with his shield or dodge-dive to evade.
Your points are once against picked apart with logic and film facts 👆
Now you see the light
Argue Cap won't get one shot against a plasma cannon instead of trying to change my argument to something else.
Cap has no feats against survive something that will blow a human to pieces. He's not even bullet proof. Bullets go through him almost as easily as it does humans.
Basically you are saying a bullet >>>> plasma Canon.
Cap can possibly block a shot. But they are invisible and there are multiple of them shooting at him. He can block them all. Especially the homing blades.
Most characters will survive a punch from Thanos just like Batman survived an attack from Superman in the comic. It's not a feat.
This is a movie and you have plot armor.
And a punch isn't the same as energy attack that burns through shit.
Cap isn't very fast. Only human level speed. He's subject to the speed of falling once he leaps
And I never seen for sure a human die to getting hit by the Chitauri. How do you know humans died? And what was the damage?
A mere human punch can kill a human and so can a nuclear bomb.
Surviving a punch doesn't mean you can survive the latter
Originally posted by Thinkerer
Predalien (AvP2)
Upgraded Predator (The Predator)
Feral Predator (Prey)These 3 would definitely throw motorcycles around.
The Feral Pred was fighting a Grizzly in close combat, wrestling. The upgraded Pred was tossing another Pred around like he was nothing.
A grizzly is your example? I'd like to see a grizzly (or predator) throw a motorcycle with enough force to destroy a jeep.
Originally posted by h1a8I see you're still ignoring that all your points were disproved on the last page.
Now you see the light
Argue Cap won't get one shot against a plasma cannon instead of trying to change my argument to something else.Cap has no feats against survive something that will blow a human to pieces. He's not even bullet proof. Bullets go through him almost as easily as it does humans.
Basically you are saying a bullet >>>> plasma Canon.Cap can possibly block a shot. But they are invisible and there are multiple of them shooting at him. He can block them all. Especially the homing blades.
Most characters will survive a punch from Thanos just like Batman survived an attack from Superman in the comic. It's not a feat.
This is a movie and you have plot armor.
And a punch isn't the same as energy attack that burns through shit.Cap isn't very fast. Only human level speed. He's subject to the speed of falling once he leaps
And I never seen for sure a human die to getting hit by the Chitauri. How do you know humans died? And what was the damage?
A mere human punch can kill a human and so can a nuclear bomb.
Surviving a punch doesn't mean you can survive the latter
No, not what I said, stop twisting . My point is that Cap isn't a regular human, so assuming as you've been that he'd take the same damage from a Predator weapon is faulty.
Cap's MANY times more durable than average Joe Person, as we've seen him shrug off plasma rifle fire that killed regular humans, survived being punched in the face by Thanos and survived being frozen for 70 or so years. Among all the other hits and wounds that would kill a normal person.
Now you're low-balling MCU Thanos. Laughable. This isn't the comics, this is the movies. MCU Thanos would insta-splatter a normal human with his punch.
Cap isn't fast? LoL. He's run faster than cars. When he fought Ironman at the end of Civil War he was punching so fast Tony had to request his A.I. help to counter him.
We see Chitauri gunning down civilians in the streets with the plasma rifles, the camera moves way, but it's clear they're killing people. You should watch Avengers. The same plasma rifle blast Cap no sold to the side of his body.
You've yet to prove that Cap wouldn't take down any single Predator. You've failed again. As for the regular humans on Cap's team, they're well beyond the regular humans that took down the Predators, they're effectively superhumans without being.
Originally posted by Robtard
I see you're still ignoring that all your points were disproved on the last page.No, not what I said, stop twisting . My point is that Cap isn't a regular human, so assuming as you've been that he'd take the same damage from a Predator weapon is faulty.
Cap's MANY times more durable than average Joe Person, as we've seen him shrug off plasma rifle fire that killed regular humans, survived being punched in the face by Thanos and survived being frozen for 70 or so years. Among all the other hits and wounds that would kill a normal person.
Now you're low-balling MCU Thanos. Laughable. This isn't the comics, this is the movies. MCU Thanos would insta-splatter a normal human with his punch.
Cap isn't fast? LoL. He's run faster than cars. When he fought Ironman at the end of Civil War he was punching so fast Tony had to request his A.I. help to counter him.
We see Chitauri gunning down civilians in the streets with the plasma rifles, the camera moves way, but it's clear they're killing people. You should watch Avengers. The same plasma rifle blast Cap no sold to the side of his body.
You've yet to prove that Cap wouldn't take down any single Predator. You've failed again. As for the regular humans on Cap's team, they're well beyond the regular humans that took down the Predators, they're effectively superhumans without being.
Prove they killed people.
You ignored my entire analogy.
If both a bullet and nuclear bomb can kill a human then doesn't make Cap immune to a nuclear bomb just because he survived being shot. The plasma canon does far more damage than the Xhitauri blasts. You are falsely equating them.
How fast were the cars that Cap outran were going?
Punches are not the same as energy blasts that have burning properties.
That is faulty.
If the plasma canon doesn't kill Cap then it would put him out of the fight for awhile, just like the Chitauri blast did.
Originally posted by riv6672
Aaaand like clockwork, h1 takes the opposite view of the majority, argues nonsensically, his points get disproven, he ignores it, his points get disproven multiple times, he calls everyone idiots…
It's only a few people arguing this thread. Majority is statistically meaningless here.
Now if you have 30 or more then you have something.
Originally posted by h1a8
Prove they killed people.
You ignored my entire analogy.
If both a bullet and nuclear bomb can kill a human then doesn't make Cap immune to a nuclear bomb just because he survived being shot. The plasma canon does far more damage than the Xhitauri blasts. You are falsely equating them.How fast were the cars that Cap outran were going?
Since you've never watched the movie -
The 47 second mark the blasts are destroying the road and uprooting cars like they were nothing. You think a human could withstand that?
1:54 Cap takes one to the body. Stunned but not out.
3:40 Iron Man takes two shots that knocks him around like a beer can. Any human surviving that?
22 second mark Clint uses an arrow that would take down any predator.
I looked to see how many humans were killed during the Chitauri invasion and i'm getting anywhere from 74 to 1200, but none of the sources were credible enough to validate it.
As for how fast Cap was running? No idea how fast the cars were going but the estimation from different sites is somewhere between 40 mph and 50 mph.
Originally posted by tkitna
Since you've never watched the movie -The 47 second mark the blasts are destroying the road and uprooting cars like they were nothing. You think a human could withstand that?
1:54 Cap takes one to the body. Stunned but not out.
3:40 Iron Man takes two shots that knocks him around like a beer can. Any human surviving that?
22 second mark Clint uses an arrow that would take down any predator.
I looked to see how many humans were killed during the Chitauri invasion and i'm getting anywhere from 74 to 1200, but none of the sources were credible enough to validate it.
As for how fast Cap was running? No idea how fast the cars were going but the estimation from different sites is somewhere between 40 mph and 50 mph.
If the plasma canon causes more damage to humans and Cap was stunned on a weaker type blast then doesn't it make since he will also get one shot by the stronger blast?
It seems the blasts varied in power. The first blast that struck Ironman did almost nothing (it hit him square on too). The 2nd blast sent him flying back into the car.
There was little to no damage done though from that blast.
My argument covered the blasts killing humans already. Cap was out of the fight. A plasma shot will do worse. They can target multiple objects simultaneously and shoot out multiple simultaneous blasts.
The cars were moving at 10mph visually. Anything else is speculation.
Preds have moved so fast they have dodged hail of bullets (many people shooting at them from close range).
They can easily dodge clints arrows or target it (like when they targeted weapons shot at them before).
A simple plasma shot will end Clint before he gets am arrow out. Plus there are multiple preds here.
A simple throw from a smart disc possibly solo them (especially with the others shooting plasma shots at them).
Originally posted by FrothByte
A 7 to 1 ratio is not "statistically meaningless".
You mean 5 to 1.
Yes it is when you only have 6 people which aren't randomly selected.
You need 30 or more (unless you can prove the sample normally distributed and the sample was randomly selected).
5 bias individuals against 1 objective individual.
Originally posted by h1a8
Those were blasts from their ships.
The blasts seem to have more concussive properties with little to no burning properties.If the plasma canon causes more damage to humans and Cap was stunned on a weaker type blast then doesn't it make since he will also get one shot by the stronger blast?
It seems the blasts varied in power. The first blast that struck Ironman did almost nothing (it hit him square on too). The 2nd blast sent him flying back into the car.
There was little to no damage done though from that blast.My argument covered the blasts killing humans already. Cap was out of the fight. A plasma shot will do worse. They can target multiple objects simultaneously and shoot out multiple simultaneous blasts.
The cars were moving at 10mph visually. Anything else is speculation.
Preds have moved so fast they have dodged hail of bullets (many people shooting at them from close range).
They can easily dodge clints arrows or target it (like when they targeted weapons shot at them before).
A simple plasma shot will end Clint before he gets am arrow out. Plus there are multiple preds here.
A simple throw from a smart disc possibly solo them (especially with the others shooting plasma shots at them).
Do they have higher properties than the rifles? It was never stated.
Cant say as there was no direct hit shown on a human and Cap is much more than a normal human.
Why do you assume the predators plasma blasters are superior to the chitauris? Because they blow holes through humans?
10 mph? Seriously? This is why almost everybody refuses to interact with you. Do you realize that even you can run faster than 10 mph? This is the kind of shenanigans that put people off when it comes to you.
Predators have moved away from hails of bullets (not dodged them mind you) so they can automatically dodge Clints arrows. Arrows he doesnt even look to aim at times and still hits his target. I'm done. You are just way to stupid to continue this conversation with.
Originally posted by tkitna
Do they have higher properties than the rifles? It was never stated.Cant say as there was no direct hit shown on a human and Cap is much more than a normal human.
Why do you assume the predators plasma blasters are superior to the chitauris? Because they blow holes through humans?
10 mph? Seriously? This is why almost everybody refuses to interact with you. Do you realize that even you can run faster than 10 mph? This is the kind of shenanigans that put people off when it comes to you.
Predators have moved away from hails of bullets (not dodged them mind you) so they can automatically dodge Clints arrows. Arrows he doesnt even look to aim at times and still hits his target. I'm done. You are just way to stupid to continue this conversation with.
Well since you don't have proof to how much damage they were doing to humans then you can't say for sure if what Cap survived is equal or more powerful than plasma shot.
Also I proved those blasts have variable power. So Cap could have taken a weaker variant just like Tony did.
Anyway, let's say they are equals. The blast put Cap down for awhile. That's enough to beat him (just add another attack) or leave him there and take out the rest.
On a crowed expressway (especially during rush hour) traffic can be certainly moving 10mph and less. I'll give Cap the benefit of the doubt and say he was running at 30mph. But we use visual speed unless there is evidence of something going faster.
4 to 5 guys shooting directly at a Predator at close range (some with machine guns) and they don't hit anything? You have to be significantly faster than a human to move even evasively to avoid being struck from that close of distance. Clints arrows don't home. Once they enter the air they move in a straight line. Arrows are significantly slower than bullets. Any evasive action will cause them to miss. Preds even targeted and shot down projectiles shot at them before.
Preds can stay ranged and take out Clint first. Black Widow and Bucky are basically fodder here. It will take Cap time to close the distance on one of them. But that ignores the others gunning for him while he does so. He blocks the attacks of the one he's closing in on but gets hit by the others in the process.
The advantage of the all the ranged attacks and invisibility makes the Preds win this fight.
Tbh
If it was just the Predalien against the team then win or lose the Predalien is going to take some out before it goes down.
Originally posted by tkitna
Since you've never watched the movie -The 47 second mark the blasts are destroying the road and uprooting cars like they were nothing. You think a human could withstand that?
1:54 Cap takes one to the body. Stunned but not out.
3:40 Iron Man takes two shots that knocks him around like a beer can. Any human surviving that?
22 second mark Clint uses an arrow that would take down any predator.
I looked to see how many humans were killed during the Chitauri invasion and i'm getting anywhere from 74 to 1200, but none of the sources were credible enough to validate it.
As for how fast Cap was running? No idea how fast the cars were going but the estimation from different sites is somewhere between 40 mph and 50 mph.
Thank you for taking the time to post the clips. H1 is doing his usual lying and shitgames.
Originally posted by h1a8
You mean 5 to 1.
Yes it is when you only have 6 people which aren't randomly selected.You need 30 or more (unless you can prove the sample normally distributed and the sample was randomly selected).
5 bias individuals against 1 objective individual.
So if I had 8 candies total, and 7 of them were blue and 1 red... you're saying it would be incorrect for me to say "Majority of the candies are blue" simply because they're less than 30?
You, dear boy, are an absolute idiot.
Originally posted by h1a8
On a crowed expressway (especially during rush hour) traffic can be certainly moving 10mph and less. I'll give Cap the benefit of the doubt and say he was running at 30mph. But we use visual speed unless there is evidence of something going faster.4 to 5 guys shooting directly at a Predator at close range (some with machine guns) and they don't hit anything? You have to be significantly faster than a human to move even evasively to avoid being struck from that close of distance. Clints arrows don't home. Once they enter the air they move in a straight line. Arrows are significantly slower than bullets. Any evasive action will cause them to miss. Preds even targeted and shot down projectiles shot at them before.
Preds can stay ranged and take out Clint first. Black Widow and Bucky are basically fodder here. It will take Cap time to close the distance on one of them. But that ignores the others gunning for him while he does so. He blocks the attacks of the one he's closing in on but gets hit by the others in the process.
The advantage of the all the ranged attacks and invisibility makes the Preds win this fight.
Tbh
If it was just the Predalien against the team then win or lose the Predalien is going to take some out before it goes down.
Why I keep responding to you is beyond me, but here goes.
How fast do you think Cap and BP were running here? Before you use your amazing skills of visual deduction lets factor in a couple of things first. They are running with sprinting Wakanda soldiers who are at peak physical fitness. Also take this into account, Usain Bolt was once clocked at 28 mph during a sprint.
You dont feel Clint can hit a Predator because some have avoided being hit by a hail of bullets wildly being shot by mere humans that were most likely shook at the time?
55 sec mark he curves a long range shot that destroys a helicarrior engine. (that arrow alone would take out probably every predator in this debate)
2:37 mark he shoots an arrow right in the middle of the head that proceeds to take out 4 or 5 more at the same time
3:21 he takes out a speeding chitauri glider without even looking. A glider that is moving and much faster than any predator.
3:37 hit a chitauri on a glider right in the head from long distance
4:27 taking multiple people out from a moving truck on uneven land
5:11 displays yet another concussive arrow that would take out numerous predators
Takes out numerous speeding Ultron bots that are faster than predators and displaying the ability to shoot more than one arrow at a time
10:07 mark I forgot his Ronin stint. Throwing knives from long distances and his fighting ability.
I'm not pointing out anymore. You should get the idea by now. Clint isnt just some human shooting a machine gun.
You said Bucky was fodder? Lol. Good lord.
After receiving the serum infusion and Vita-Ray blasts in the first film, Rogers instantly grew to 6’2” and 240lbs of solid muscle. He is able to bench several tons and run thirteen miles in thirty minutes comfortably. To put his speed in perspective, the average half-marathon time (13.1 miles) is roughly 2 hours. In MPH, Cap runs at about 26 mph comfortably and sustainably. The ‘Fastest Man Alive’, Usain Bolt, clocks in at around 28 mph for his 100 meter sprint. Sprinting, Steve could easily surpass 40 mph. -ScreenRant
The article's claims are supported by the films:
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But sure, let's just go with "Captain America is slow."