Originally posted by Robtard
The Biden admin is asking Israel for a cease fire, to allow civilians to flee. Netanyahu refuses unless hostages are released.I suspect Netanyahu will likely cave after some dick-waving.
I read this comment today which made me laugh yet sad but truth really. "Ugh, I dont think there are any hostages left, if there were, Isreal bombed them already.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Expected given the West are pro Israel. Still won't be on par with Western support to Israel though until they aid Hamas's military like $3billion a year.
The US should be investing billions in Palestinian infrastructure like schools, farms, textiles etc. as people who are not starving and unemployed are less likely to look towards terrorist as theirsaviors.
Giving money directly to Hamas though? Terrible idea. Hamas would wipe out Israel if if had the capabilities, they've said as much.
Terrorist Charged with Hate Crime Targeted Wrong Group
Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department officers arrested a terrorist after she drove her car into a building that she thought was a Jewish school. However, the building is used by the Israelite School of Universal and Practical Knowledge which is ironically an antisemitic hate group.
Ruba Almaghtheh, 34, was arrested on a preliminary charge of criminal recklessness. Almaghtheh told officers she was watching news coverage of the Israel-Hamas war on television, and decided to plan an attack, because of the "Hebrew Israelite" symbol on the front of the building. Almaghtheh admitted to detectives that she committed the hate crime for "her people back in Palestine," and told officers, "Yes, I did it on purpose."
However, the Israelite School of Universal and Practical Knowledge is a sect of the Black Hebrew Israelites, which is an antisemitic hate group. The Black Hebrew Israelites are black supremacists, who believe that people of African descent are the true descendants of the ancient Israelites, and that contemporary Jews are Satanic impostors.
Originally posted by RobtardGiving money directly to Hamas though? Terrible idea. Hamas would wipe out Israel if if had the capabilities, they've said as much.
Because they don't believe in an Apartheid state? Something wrong with that?
Hamas would actually accept a two state solution (they've agreed to that from many years back). But in reality that wouldn't work either.
The only way for peace is to give all Palestinians the same right of return to that land that Jews have. With the same reparations/funding in place. And with equal rights and representation. But that would no longer be Israel.
Originally posted by Robtard
Just watched a video of a Hamas spokesmen saying it’s not Hamas’ responsibility to protect Palestinian civilians, that their blood is essentially the price of freedom and that they have every intention of attacking Israel over and over like they did on Oct 7th because of martyrdom.
Western media is pretty one sided on this, so you might have missed a lot of the extreme genocidal takes from the Israeli side. You could argue that they are fringe elements, but I don't see any calls to condemn their statements or for them to resign.
Also what do you expect when Israel is basically doing an October 7th attack on Gaza like every few days since then?
Just switch the script for a second and imagine its Arabs who have expelled Jews to the Gaza strip.
Re: Terrorist Charged with Hate Crime Targeted Wrong Group
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department officers arrested a terrorist after she drove her car into a building that she thought was a Jewish school. However, the building is used by the Israelite School of Universal and Practical Knowledge which is ironically an antisemitic hate group.Ruba Almaghtheh, 34, was arrested on a preliminary charge of criminal recklessness. Almaghtheh told officers she was watching news coverage of the Israel-Hamas war on television, and decided to plan an attack, because of the "Hebrew Israelite" symbol on the front of the building. Almaghtheh admitted to detectives that she committed the hate crime for "her people back in Palestine," and told officers, "Yes, I did it on purpose."
However, the Israelite School of Universal and Practical Knowledge is a sect of the Black Hebrew Israelites, which is an antisemitic hate group. The Black Hebrew Israelites are black supremacists, who believe that people of African descent are the true descendants of the ancient Israelites, and that contemporary Jews are Satanic impostors.
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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Because they don't believe in an Apartheid state? Something wrong with that?Hamas would actually accept a two state solution (they've agreed to that from many years back). But in reality that wouldn't work either.
The only way for peace is to give all Palestinians the same right of return to that land that Jews have. With the same reparations/funding in place. And with equal rights and representation. But that would no longer be Israel.
Israel's apartheid practices are truly shit, but apartheid isn't killing everyone.
Everything I hear from Hamas spokesmen is they're not for the two state solution, they simply want Israel gone. You can't find common ground with that. If there is indeed a more moderate faction in Hamas, great, but they don't seem to be in control.
I disagree, I think the two-state could potentially work, if Palestine is built to the point people are not living in squalor. It's the extremist on both sides that will not allow it to even have breath.
Originally posted by Robtard
Israel's apartheid practices are truly shit, but apartheid isn't killing everyone.Everything I hear from Hamas spokesmen is they're not for the two state solution, they simply want Israel gone. You can't find common ground with that. If there is indeed a more moderate faction in Hamas, great, but they don't seem to be in control.
I disagree, I think the two-state could potentially work, if Palestine is built to the point people are not living in squalor. It's the extremist on both sides that will not allow it to even have breath.
Ethnic cleansing isn't necessarily killing everyone. It's also forcibly removing them.
Like I said they accepted the 2 state outcome years ago, they're just not entertaining it right now whilst Gaza is being bombarded the way it is.
You seem to think Israel will find common ground with someone else. They won't. They have no interest in a 2 state or 1 state solution. Netanyahu literally went to the UN just a few months ago with a very expanded map of Israel. Does that seem like a side moderate Palestinians can find common ground with?
The International community has to put pressure on them. Only way.
And yeah my personal opinion stands that One State with full right of Return for both Jews and Palestinians would be the most Just. And when you have Peace & Justice, then extremists (on both sides) lose their influence.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Ethnic cleansing isn't necessarily killing everyone. It's also forcibly removing them.Like I said they accepted the 2 state outcome years ago, they're just not entertaining it right now whilst Gaza is being bombarded the way it is.
You seem to think Israel will find common ground with someone else. They won't. They have no interest in a 2 state or 1 state solution. Netanyahu literally went to the UN just a few months ago with a very expanded map of Israel. Does that seem like a side moderate Palestinians can find common ground with?
The International community has to put pressure on them. Only way.
And yeah my personal opinion stands that One State with full right of Return for both Jews and Palestinians would be the most Just. And when you have Peace & Justice, then extremists (on both sides) lose their influence.
Correct, no argument there. But if the choice is expulsion or annihilation, the later is the lesser of two evils.
Honestly was not aware of this. But preaching death to all and the erasure of Israel and all Jews now isn't going to help the cause of moderation and a cease fire. Hamas is just feeding the fire with that kind of rhetoric.
It just feeds into Israel's stance of them needing to permanently set up base in Gaza, which is being pushed now. This is going to become their own personal Vietnam and Afghanistan war dilemma.
I think the majority of the Israeli citizenship would accept a two-state solution if it brought lasting peace and stability to the region.
Netanyahu is a Far-Right piece of garbage, he's literally part of the problem to the ongoing conflict.
Ok, when you put it that way, sure, sounds great on paper, but it's not going to had. The powers on both sides won't do it, the US won't back it, Iran won't back it.