Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then Croc is in the vicinity of Killer Shark, too.And Batman beat him. So Batman is in the vicinity of Croc, who is in the vicinity of Killer Shark, who is in the vicinity of WW.
Which means Batman is in the vicinity of forum WW.
Batman doesn't count. He's the anomaly. He can be in the vicinity of Superman for all we care. He survived a beating from Superman. You can use the same logic on him.
And stop analyzing my arguments without having some skin in the game.
Make a claim to what you think (your opinion on matters) then you are free to discuss things with me.
It's easy as hell to find flaws in others arguments as long as you never have one yourself. Imo that's a form of trolling.
In debating, you suppose to represent a claim. Not have a claim and yet nitpicking other's claims.
Originally posted by h1a8
Batman doesn't count. He's the anomaly. He can be in the vicinity of Superman for all we care. He survived a beating from Superman. You can use the same logic on him.And stop analyzing my arguments without having some skin in the game.
Make a claim to what you think (your opinion on matters) then you are free to discuss things with me.It's easy as hell to find flaws in others arguments as long as you never have one yourself. Imo that's a form of trolling.
In debating, you suppose to represent a claim. Not have a claim and yet nitpicking other's claims.
Sure. Harley Quinn beat Croc, so Harley is in the vicinity of forum WW, then.
Originally posted by h1a8
So you ignore my request?
My opinion is that you have terrible arguments, and my opinion is that it's fun to point this out, and my opinion is that on this dying site, you can cry trolling all you like but it doesn't change a thing.
You changing your stance and arguments in different threads to suit yourself, means you have no intellectual honesty - so I don't need to have 'a stance', as it were, because you don't really have one to oppose.
In this thread, you are happy to use scaling and ABC logic. Fine, that's on you. In another thread, when it suits you, you conveniently ignore it in this thread, you argue for using average showings - sure, ok. Then in another, start arguing about 'forum characters ' - but you're unable to define what this is.
Originally posted by h1a8I don't think his healing factor works fast enough to make a difference in this fight. Or in most fights.
Honest question. You never seen where KS regenerated a limb? Or any feats of healing factor shown?
Answer honestly.
I think you really overstated it, and it's actually more like Hawkman's healing. Or Killer Croc's. Or any character from Fables. Plot devices that make them hard to kill but not exactly a factor on the forum.
But, feel free to prove me wrong. I've only asked for scans like 10 times since you made the claim.
Originally posted by Smurph
I don't think his healing factor works fast enough to make a difference in this fight. Or in most fights.I think you really overstated it, and it's actually more like Hawkman's healing. Or Killer Croc's. Or any character from Fables. Plot devices that make them hard to kill but not exactly a factor on the forum.
But, feel free to prove me wrong. I've only asked for scans like 10 times since you made the claim.
So any character (Hawkman, Croc, etc) can heal an entire limb within a few panels?
If one can regrow an entire arm in a matter of minutes then they clearly can heal from any minor bruises nigh instantly.
KP would have a hard time even hurting KS (assuming KS at his best and not at his lowest). Rifle rounds bounce off him. Tank blows from Superboy, Aquaman, WW, Omac, etc.
KS is many times stronger, many times more durable, has healing factor, has bite force than can slice through titanium like butter, etc.
In what universe is this not spite?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My opinion is that you have terrible arguments, and my opinion is that it's fun to point this out, and my opinion is that on this dying site, you can cry trolling all you like but it doesn't change a thing.You changing your stance and arguments in different threads to suit yourself, means you have no intellectual honesty - so I don't need to have 'a stance', as it were, because you don't really have one to oppose.
In this thread, you are happy to use scaling and ABC logic. Fine, that's on you. In another thread, when it suits you, you conveniently ignore it in this thread, you argue for using average showings - sure, ok. Then in another, start arguing about 'forum characters ' - but you're unable to define what this is.
I don't ignore ABC scaling for others. Thanos is stronger than Thor and Thor has better strength feats. Thanos has no lifting feats.
My take is that ABC scaling can only be used against character average (not high end).
Some say A did well against B and B did (they list the most impressive feat). Which assume A can do what B did (in their highest showing).
That's faulty. A did well against B the we assume either average B was operating at best.
PIS does exists though. Contradictions do occur in comics. You know this.
Originally posted by Smurph
I don't think his healing factor works fast enough to make a difference in this fight. Or in most fights.I think you really overstated it, and it's actually more like Hawkman's healing. Or Killer Croc's. Or any character from Fables. Plot devices that make them hard to kill but not exactly a factor on the forum.
But, feel free to prove me wrong. I've only asked for scans like 10 times since you made the claim.
I'll gladly give issue numbers or a scan to healing factor if seriously haven't seen any. There is no point of posting scans if you know of the instances. We can just discuss them instead.
Originally posted by h1a8.
So any character (Hawkman, Croc, etc) can heal an entire limb within a few panels?
If one can regrow an entire arm in a matter of minutes then they clearly can heal from any minor bruises nigh instantly.
KP would have a hard time even hurting KS (assuming KS at his best and not at his lowest). Rifle rounds bounce off him. Tank blows from Superboy, Aquaman, WW, Omac, etc.KS is many times stronger, many times more durable, has healing factor, has bite force than can slice through titanium like butter, etc.
In what universe is this not spite?
Is bulletproof:
https://imgur.com/cUXvHy5?r
Trades blows with Superman:
https://imgur.com/a/gLo7a7A
But then ....Two Face and Harley say hello.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't ignore ABC scaling for others. Thanos is stronger than Thor and Thor has better strength feats. Thanos has no lifting feats.
My take is that ABC scaling can only be used against character average (not high end).Some say A did well against B and B did (they list the most impressive feat). Which assume A can do what B did (in their highest showing).
That's faulty. A did well against B the we assume either average B was operating at best.
PIS does exists though. Contradictions do occur in comics. You know this.
Originally posted by h1a8No, we can't "just discuss them" because, as you'll recall:
I'll gladly give issue numbers or a scan to healing factor if seriously haven't seen any. There is no point of posting scans if you know of the instances. We can just discuss them instead.
Originally posted by Smurph
Nothing's been conceded. We're just going through your bullshit one point at a time.And if you're lying about a central part of the argument, that's pretty relevant to the credibility of your entire position.
Originally posted by h1a8
Credibility is only valid if you going to take someone word without proof. Comics speak for themselves. No need for anyone here to be credible. Just ask for proof when people make claims you don't believe.
So you conceded that he never actually matched strength with Wonder Woman, but you say your credibility isn't an issue because the comics speak for themselves.
So where's that insane healing factor? Let's see some scans.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So why assume that KS' appearances aren't PIS, and automatically jump him up to forum WW's vicinity? Based on a single blow that he didn't even land?
Stop using "Vicinity" on its own. Be specific.
KS is in the vicinity as far as strength and durability. Nothing more.
And "Vicinity" of strength is a matter of opinion. It is not well defined.
For example, if WW can lift 10,000 tons and KS can lift 150tons then some will same he's in the vicinity of her in strength.
Same goes for Thing (who is low class 100) and Hulk (who is high class 100). Some say Thing is in the vicinity of Hulk in strength due to their battles. But Hulk's feats blow Things out of the water.
KS is in WWs vicinity of strength and durability because
1. He tanked her near full effort elbow without too much trouble.
KS top showings aren't PIS because they are more consistent than his low showings (which every one has).