King Shark Vs Kingpin

Originally posted by Smurph
No, we can't "just discuss them" because, as you'll recall:

So you conceded that he never actually matched strength with Wonder Woman, but you say your credibility isn't an issue because the comics speak for themselves.

So where's that insane healing factor? Let's see some scans.

I did not claim he was as strong as WW. I said he was class 100.
WW can be high class 100 while he is low class 100.

Do you know of the instance where KS regrew an entire arm within a few panels?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But then ....Two Face and Harley say hello.

In his Two Face persona, Harvey at least has some feats...

That was Harvey-Harvey, iirc. Vanilla flavour. Temporarily restored to sanity. Harvey the featless. Harvey the flaccid.

Take away their madness and most villains become useless and impotent, tbh.

Croc is perhaps the worst jobber in all fiction, possibly rivaled only by Gargan Venom.

Originally posted by h1a8
I did not claim he was as strong as WW. I said he was class 100.
WW can be high class 100 while he is low class 100.

Do you know of the instance where KS regrew an entire arm within a few panels?

However I do know of this instance where he gets his arm ripped off and says "This is gonna take weeks ta grow back!"

https://imgur.com/a/koAMU

Originally posted by h1a8
Stop using "Vicinity" on its own. Be specific.
KS is in the vicinity as far as strength and durability. Nothing more.
And "Vicinity" of strength is a matter of opinion. It is not well defined.
For example, if WW can lift 10,000 tons and KS can lift 150tons then some will same he's in the vicinity of her in strength.
Same goes for Thing (who is low class 100) and Hulk (who is high class 100). Some say Thing is in the vicinity of Hulk in strength due to their battles. But Hulk's feats blow Things out of the water.

KS is in WWs vicinity of strength and durability because
1. He tanked her near full effort elbow without too much trouble.

KS top showings aren't PIS because they are more consistent than his low showings (which every one has).

So your usage is so arbitrary as to be meaningless.

Originally posted by Smurph
No, I do not know of that instance.

However I do know of this instance where he gets his arm ripped off and says "This is gonna take [b]weeks ta grow back!"

https://imgur.com/a/koAMU [/B]

At least Croc healed his eyes in a few panels....

This aged well:

Originally posted by h1a8

You shouldn't participate in debates if you don't know basic information about the characters. King Shark has a healing factor. That's basic comic knowledge.

Originally posted by Smurph
No, I do not know of that instance.

However I do know of this instance where he gets his arm ripped off and says "This is gonna take [b]weeks ta grow back!"

https://imgur.com/a/koAMU [/B]

Originally posted by Smurph
No, I do not know of that instance.

However I do know of this instance where he gets his arm ripped off and says "This is gonna take [b]weeks ta grow back!"

https://imgur.com/a/koAMU [/B]

Suicide Squad: King Shark #7
He severs his arm as bait to king cockroach. Then he regrews it back in a matter of moments (a few panels).
I'll post the scan later if you want.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So your usage is so arbitrary as to be meaningless.

In the vicinity means strong enough to damage or stun someone significantly (they can't no sell you or be barely dazed).
And take a serious blow from them without being koed or killed or seriously stunned.

It does not mean a peer or near equal. Thing is in the vicinity of Namor. But Namor is stronger. Namor is in the vicinity of Savage Hulk but Hulk is stronger.

Also a chain of 2 or more vicinities (A to B to C) doesn't guarantee that A is in the vicinity of C. The transitive property isn't necessarily true.

Being in the vicinity of a high class 100 automatically makes you at least a low class 100.

Thats my take.

Originally posted by h1a8
Suicide Squad: King Shark #7
He severs his arm as bait to king cockroach. Then he regrews it back in a matter of moments (a few panels).
I'll post the scan later if you want.

Before the feat, he runs and hides from the Roach King and hatches a plan. Then at some point in time he chews his own arm off, but we have no idea how much time passes. At least enough for him to saturate his severed arm with poison from spray paint, and then lay the trap.

Then he fights Roach King without any healing. Roach King succumbs to the poison.

Three pages after Roach King first finds the trap, the bone starts to regrow. Two pages later, he has a little baby limb.

Healing factor? Yes, sure.

In "a matter of moments (a few panels)"? No.

Did his healing come into play during the fight? No.

So... has his healing ever actually helped him during a fight? Because elsewhere in that same series, he has cuts and wounds long after the fight is over.

Originally posted by Smurph
Easily his best healing feat, but still not what you're describing.

Before the feat, he runs and hides from the Roach King and hatches a plan. Then at some point in time he chews his own arm off, but we have no idea how much time passes. At least enough for him to saturate his severed arm with poison from spray paint, and then lay the trap.

Then he fights Roach King without any healing. Roach King succumbs to the poison.

Three pages after Roach King first finds the trap, the bone starts to regrow. Two pages later, he has a little baby limb.

Healing factor? Yes, sure.

In "a matter of moments (a few panels)"? No.

Did his healing come into play during the fight? No.

So... has his healing ever actually helped him during a fight? Because elsewhere in that same series, he has cuts and wounds long after the fight is over.

I was talking about minor damage being healed instantly (bruises, small cuts, etc). KP imo will do absolutely no damage to KS. But if the improbable happens then the damage will be very small (hence heal instantly). You act as KP can do some major damage to KS. That could only mean that you are low balling KS (cherry picking his lowest showings).

Lastly, you are not understanding what it means for rifle bullets to bounce off you. Forget tanking AM, WW, and Superboy hits. And whst defense will Kingpin have against KS biting him? Head, arm, etc gone easily.

Originally posted by h1a8
In the vicinity means strong enough to damage or stun someone significantly (they can't no sell you or be barely dazed).
And take a serious blow from them without being koed or killed or seriously stunned.

It does not mean a peer or near equal. Thing is in the vicinity of Namor. But Namor is stronger. Namor is in the vicinity of Savage Hulk but Hulk is stronger.

Also a chain of 2 or more vicinities (A to B to C) doesn't guarantee that A is in the vicinity of C. The transitive property isn't necessarily true.

Being in the vicinity of a high class 100 automatically makes you at least a low class 100.

Thats my take.

And PIS also occurs, as you've said many times. Blue Beetle isn't a class 100, not by any means - but he's taken his fair share of hits (since you dislike me using Batman so much).

Originally posted by h1a8
Deadpool is considered to have an insane healing factor. It takes him days to regrow limbs. Regrowing limbs in days implies healing superficial wounds nigh instantly. So his healing factor will absolutely work for KP (assuming KP can even damage him slightly).

I was talking about minor damage being healed instantly (bruises, small cuts, etc). KP imo will do absolutely no damage to KS. But if the improbable happens then the damage will be very small (hence heal instantly). You act as KP can do some major damage to KS. That could only mean that you are low balling KS (cherry picking his lowest showings).

Lastly, you are not understanding what it means for rifle bullets to bounce off you. Forget tanking AM, WW, and Superboy hits. And whst defense will Kingpin have against KS biting him? Head, arm, etc gone easily.

And we have... no(?) examples of his wounds healing instantly.

He has one feat of regrowing part of an arm within an issue, and credit where it's due, it's a good healing feat. But that's it. And it's somewhat diminished by the fact that we don't know how much time passed, and the other time someone tore off his arm, he said it would take weeks to heal.

Can KS heal? Yes. Is he Deadpool? lol, no.

As for the rest of your post: being bulletproof didn't help the Doombot. Or Tombstone. Or King Shark, against Killer Croc's claws.

It didn't help him against Batman's darts (which, by the by, on the same page, Croc explicitly said he has a tougher hide than Shark).

Hey h1, if King Shark is cl 100 because Wonder Woman elbowed him in the gut, where are we ranking Kingpin?

He waded through a point blank blast from a Doombot, physically overpowered it and crushed its hand.

He knocked Joe Fixit to the ground with a single punch. Visibly staggered enough to give Kingpin the opening to start beating on him.

What's his strength class, iyo?

Originally posted by Smurph
Hey h1, if King Shark is cl 100 because Wonder Woman elbowed him in the gut, where are we ranking Kingpin?

He waded through a point blank blast from a Doombot, physically overpowered it and crushed its hand.

He knocked Joe Fixit to the ground with a single punch. Visibly staggered enough to give Kingpin the opening to start beating on him.

What's his strength class, iyo?

He's not class 100 because WW elbowed him in the gut. That feat just ADDS to the already proven evidence. He's class 100 for all his other feats. Without that feat he still is class 100.

Doombots are not class 100. Blasts are not physical strikes.
Joe Fixit weighs less than 1000lb. A 5 tonner could have done that.
Cap And Spidey have knocked down and swung around much stronger beings.
It's all about being able lift their weight.

Fixit was not visibly staggered. He was possibly surprised because it was a cheap shot. Prior KP hits were no sold. Did you know that?

Originally posted by h1a8
Blasts are not physical strikes.

Doombot punched him in the face, too.

Funny how you keep missing things even when you're being spoon-fed with scans.

KP is class 50 at best

Originally posted by Senor Cage
KP is class 50 at best

That's more than enough to deal with the likes of King Shark, you know 😂

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Doombot punched him in the face, too.

Funny how you keep missing things even when you're being spoon-fed with scans.