Originally posted by zopzopYou lost your Damn mind.
This is basically a close fight that can go either way. On land, I'd give it to Kingpin. In or very near water, I'd give it to King Shark.
KS has all the advantages by a significant margin.
Originally posted by ThinkererSure, but that's not the point. H1 is using that page as "proof" that KS is class 100:
She's obviously holding back, but her holding back is still more powerful than anything Kingpin can produce.
Originally posted by h1a8
If it wasn't for WWs speed and reflexes then he would pose a problem for her.
He still scales off her.
She struck him and it did seemingly nothing to him.
Originally posted by h1a8and then you look at the page itself and... lol.
Also taking hits without damage from VERY HIGH CLASS 100 beings due to natural physical toughness implies that one is class 100 (even if he is weaker).
At first h1 claimed that he scaled off of WW's strength. When pressed on where they ever compared strength, h1 admitted that he just threw her name in the mix.
Then h1 repeatedly claimed that KS "tanks blows" from WW "without missing a beat". And when pressed, his only proof is a panel where KS is about to eat a dude and drops that dude because WW elbows him in the gut, before blocking his bite herself and lassoing him. And as you say, she's obviously holding back: "calm yourself, please! I am not your enemy!"
Bottom line, h1 is a liar.
Originally posted by Smurph
Sure, but that's not the point. H1 is using that page as "proof" that KS is class 100:and then you look at the page itself and... lol.
At first h1 claimed that he scaled off of WW's strength. When pressed on where they ever compared strength, h1 admitted that he just threw her name in the mix.
Then h1 repeatedly claimed that KS "tanks blows" from WW "without missing a beat". And when pressed, his only proof is a panel where KS is about to eat a dude and drops that dude because WW elbows him in the gut, before blocking his bite herself and lassoing him. And as you say, she's obviously holding back: "calm yourself, please! I am not your enemy!"
Bottom line, h1 is a liar.
It doesn't appear to me she's holding back significantly. The art appears as if she is putting some effort into the blow (at least more than half her might). She put her hands together so that the elbow is effective (this creates a more powerful elbow). Writer's intent. If writer wanted to reader to believe that WW was holding a large amount then they would have shown her very casually striking him (like a casual smack or finger flick or a simple 1 handed nudge like elbow).
This is called story telling. Make the reader see what your intent is.
And you are trolling at this point. I already gave points to why this fight is spite. Nitpicking 1 detail from the many doesn't defeat the argument. You know "nitpicking " is a logical fallacy right?
Well it's hardly nitpicking when she's a core (33.3333 recurring % lol) part of your argument that he's a class 100 (the other two being.... Aquaman and Superboy).
The argument was that he could tank high class 100s (i.e. WW) where it does nothing to him. But A: she's hardly putting her full strength into it (for that, you should see how she punches Batman), and B: it didn't 'do nothing' (she forced him to drop the guard and he went Huurk).
There's also C which you argue where different writers have different opinions etc but that's a separate issue.
Originally posted by h1a8lol you don't get to cry "nitpicking!" when you're just being called out on your bullshit.And you are trolling at this point. I already gave points to why this fight is spite. Nitpicking 1 detail from the many doesn't defeat the argument. You know "nitpicking " is a logical fallacy right?
You said KS is class 100 based, in part, on his fights with Wonder Woman. That was a lie. Their fights include her very casually defeating him three times (as far as I know). She has a tougher time with Batman.
So let's see some actual proof that KS is class 100, or otherwise untouchable in this fight. You say KS could just stand still and let KP hit him, but since KP can do a choke slam on Tombstone with one arm, I'm not really seeing it.
After you either concede or try to weasel away from the "unharmable class 100" nonsense, we can move on to "insane healing factor" claim.
Originally posted by Smurph
lol you don't get to cry "nitpicking!" when you're just being called out on your bullshit.You said KS is class 100 based, in part, on his fights with Wonder Woman. That was a lie. Their fights include her very casually defeating him three times (as far as I know). She has a tougher time with Batman.
So let's see some actual proof that KS is class 100, or otherwise untouchable in this fight. You say KS could just stand still and let KP hit him, but since KP can do a choke slam on Tombstone with one arm, I'm not really seeing it.
After you either concede or try to weasel away from the "unharmable class 100" nonsense, we can move on to "insane healing factor" claim.
I didn't back down on my argument. There is no lie. If someone is able to tank a blow from a very high class 100 character with no damage due to ONLY TO TOUGHNESS
the they are at least class 100. It would make no sense otherwise. Thanos ability to tank class 100s blows and dish out damage to class 100s puts him on that category. He doesn't need lifting feats.
KS doesn't have to be class 100 here.
His durability and biting is enough to make the fight spite. KP is not strong enough to damage someone who is armor piercing bulletproof. He's a demigod like WW and Hercules are. Not on the same level though.
Even if KP can defy the impossible and cause some minor damage to KS then KS recovers right away due to his regeneration.
Lastly, I already explained myself. I threw WW in the mix to show how tough he is.
Tanking a semiserious blow from WW is a major feat.
Your argument stems on thinking that KP can somehow damage someone of KS durability. And also ignore his regeneration and biting abilities.
I don't see how KP stops KS from even biting him.