King Shark Vs Kingpin

If you give 2 different arguments why something is the case and I argue against one of the them (concede to the other) then I'm nitpicking by definition. It's a logical fallacy. It does not defeat an argument at all. And that's 50%. % does not matter in the definition.

Yes, he stopped trying to eat the guard.
I meant as far as being visibly damaged or stunned. It's impressive. A bee sting can make me drop someone. Yes KS felt the blow. But it had no stun or damage effect.

Writer's have different opinions yes. But that's irrelevant due to us taking the highest showings (prevent those bias against a character to cherry pick that character's lows against their characters highs) I know no writer that wrote KS to not being bulletproof (bullets bounce off him) or not being able to hurt AM and the likes.

He's at least several times stronger than KP and several times more durable. He has teeth that can bite limbs and heads off. A gorilla is stronger than a lion. But a lion will kill the gorilla just due to biting.

So I just saw the Grifter vs Suicide Squad fight. Grifter was destroying Suicide Squad till King Shark showed up and actually bit through his TK force field and downed Grifter.

I change my vote. KS got this. I can see him biting Kingpin's head clean off.

Originally posted by h1a8
If you give 2 different arguments why something is the case and I argue against one of the them (concede to the other) then I'm nitpicking by definition. It's a logical fallacy. It does not defeat an argument at all. And that's 50%. % does not matter in the definition.

Yes, he stopped trying to eat the guard.
I meant as far as being visibly damaged or stunned. It's impressive. A bee sting can make me drop someone. Yes KS felt the blow. But it had no stun or damage effect.

Writer's have different opinions yes. But that's irrelevant due to us taking the highest showings (prevent those bias against a character to cherry pick that character's lows against their characters highs) I know no writer that wrote KS to not being bulletproof (bullets bounce off him) or not being able to hurt AM and the likes.

He's at least several times stronger than KP and several times more durable. He has teeth that can bite limbs and heads off. A gorilla is stronger than a lion. But a lion will kill the gorilla just due to biting.

It caused him to not only stop trying to eat him, he dropped him completely. For it to be impressive for KS, you'd have to show she was trying to stun/damage him - and his durability then prevented that. Otherwise, it's more likely that WW - a warrior with tons of experience - knows exactly how hard to hit someone to make them drop something.

Writers having different opinions isn't irrelevant. WW may not have been written as a high class 100 in that story, for example. Aquaman may not have been written as class 100 when he fought King Shark - remember, Aquaman also fought the Joker, lol.

So using scaling isn't quite that great when you of all people have argued that characters aren't always written at 100% in every story. So why are WW/AM/Superboy etc all suddenly being ramped up to their highest levels, then KS gets scaled off that?

He fought pretty evenly with Killer Croc. Same Croc who gets beaten by Batman, for example.

Originally posted by zopzop
So I just saw the Grifter vs Suicide Squad fight. Grifter was destroying Suicide Squad till King Shark showed up and actually bit through his TK force field and downed Grifter.

I change my vote. KS got this. I can see him biting Kingpin's head clean off.

Which fight did you read?

Because the one I remember had KS desperately trying to chew on Grifter with no success.

Grifter's power level fluctuates like crazy, too.

Fisk eats KS whole, then has some zopzop for a dessert. I bet you taste like strawberries.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Which fight did you read?

Because the one I remember had KS desperately trying to chew on Grifter with no success.

Grifter's power level fluctuates like crazy, too.

Fisk eats KS whole, then has some zopzop for a dessert. I bet you taste like strawberries.

Yeah, that's the one I remembered. FF still protected Grifter... others finished the job.

Fisk has pummeled the Wizard solo. Forcefields are overrated, hun.

Originally posted by h1a8
If you give 2 different arguments why something is the case and I argue against one of the them (concede to the other) then I'm nitpicking by definition. It's a logical fallacy. It does not defeat an argument at all. And that's 50%. % does not matter in the definition.

And if you're lying about a central part of the argument, that's pretty relevant to the credibility of your entire position.

Originally posted by zopzop
So I just saw the Grifter vs Suicide Squad fight. Grifter was destroying Suicide Squad till King Shark showed up and actually bit through his TK force field and downed Grifter.

I change my vote. KS got this. I can see him biting Kingpin's head clean off.

Actually, KS did the same to Superboy's tacticle TK force field, too. 👆

They both suck 👆

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, that's the one I remembered. FF still protected Grifter... others finished the job.

Fisk has pummeled the Wizard solo. Forcefields are overrated, hun.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Yes.

Fisk is not a pussy like those losers from F4, he just gets the job done 👆

Originally posted by zopzop
I'll link the fight. Grifter tooled the entire Squad till King Shark showed up and put his foot down (metaphorically speaking). He crushed Griter's TK field with a bite and Griter was downed.

And Grifter's TK/TP were extremely impressive, seeing as he backed down Helspont, whom casually owned Superman like a weak feeb

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It caused him to not only stop trying to eat him, he dropped him completely. For it to be impressive for KS, you'd have to show she was trying to stun/damage him - and his durability then prevented that. Otherwise, it's more likely that WW - a warrior with tons of experience - knows exactly how hard to hit someone to make them drop something.

Writers having different opinions isn't irrelevant. WW may not have been written as a high class 100 in that story, for example. Aquaman may not have been written as class 100 when he fought King Shark - remember, Aquaman also fought the Joker, lol.

So using scaling isn't quite that great when you of all people have argued that characters aren't always written at 100% in every story. So why are WW/AM/Superboy etc all suddenly being ramped up to their highest levels, then KS gets scaled off that?

He fought pretty evenly with Killer Croc. Same Croc who gets beaten by Batman, for example.

I proved that she used at least half her might in my previous post. A bee sting can make me drop something. Yes he felt her blow.

Yes characters levels fluctuate from writer to writer. I use a character's average showings when doing ABC logic or scaling, unless it can be proven the level that character (of whom we are scaling off) was operating at.

Also there are things that's always consistent with every writer. For example, KS being bulletproof, Spider-Man being able to dodge bullets, etc.

Lastly, examples with Batman don't quite work. He's defied logic too many times.
Faster than light, durable enough to survive onslaught from Superman, etc. He's one of the few exceptions to all rules. He doesn't count. He can be operating at Abstract tier at times.

Now just let me destroy smurf. Tag teaming me is unfair advantage lol. He's stealing you guys arguments and combining them with his own. Let him argue on his own.

Originally posted by Smurph
Nothing's been conceded. We're just going through your bullshit one point at a time.

And if you're lying about a central part of the argument, that's pretty relevant to the credibility of your entire position.

I already explained why I mentioned WW. That t is covered. Admitted to the mistake but still shown that the showing can be still used as evidence.

Argue against all points simultaneously if you disagree with them. Not one at a time.
Unless you mention that you will address them later in your post. Then it's ok to pick 1 thing at a time.

Credibility is only valid if you going to take someone word without proof. Comics speak for themselves. No need for anyone here to be credible. Just ask for proof when people make claims you don't believe.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
And Grifter's TK/TP were extremely impressive, seeing as he backed down Helspont, whom casually owned Superman like a weak feeb

Which reminds us you just need a group of streets and low metas to handle a guy like Grifter or Superboy Prime... 😂

Golgo I got your back

Don't let stilt intimidate you

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Which reminds us you just need a group of streets and low metas to handle a guy like Grifter or Superboy Prime... 😂

Eh, it's comics. Surfer and Thor get humbled by streets all the time, which is why I said Fixit is street level at best. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by h1a8
I proved that she used at least half her might in my previous post. A bee sting can make me drop something. Yes he felt her blow.

Yes characters levels fluctuate from writer to writer. I use a character's average showings when doing ABC logic or scaling, unless it can be proven the level that character (of whom we are scaling off) was operating at.

Also there are things that's always consistent with every writer. For example, KS being bulletproof, Spider-Man being able to dodge bullets, etc.

Lastly, examples with Batman don't quite work. He's defied logic too many times.
Faster than light, durable enough to survive onslaught from Superman, etc. He's one of the few exceptions to all rules. He doesn't count. He can be operating at Abstract tier at times.

Now just let me destroy smurf. Tag teaming me is unfair advantage lol. He's stealing you guys arguments and combining them with his own. Let him argue on his own.

Two things firstly:

1.Half her FULL might? Half her average might?

2.You just showed your interpretation, nothing more. Her using her elbow and holding it means nothing - perhaps that's how her training taught her to do so (she doesn't show the same finger jabbing proficiency as say, Lady Shiva etc).

And sure, let's not use Batman himself. KS fought evenly with Killer Croc, who got choked out by Two Face, got taken out by Harley, fought Katana and Batwoman....they even beat him, iirc. Bane, too. Killer Croc is one of the easiest guys to scale off of, if you want low showings. Stilt is just itching, there (more so than normal).