King Shark Vs Kingpin

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Two things firstly:

1.Half her FULL might? Half her average might?

2.You just showed your interpretation, nothing more. Her using her elbow and holding it means nothing - perhaps that's how her training taught her to do so (she doesn't show the same finger jabbing proficiency as say, Lady Shiva etc).

And sure, let's not use Batman himself. KS fought evenly with Killer Croc, who got choked out by Two Face, got taken out by Harley, fought Katana and Batwoman....they even beat him, iirc. Bane, too. Killer Croc is one of the easiest guys to scale off of, if you want low showings. Stilt is just itching, there (more so than normal).

WW doesn't exist and never existed. There is no such thing as her training. It never happened. The only thing that exists is in the mind of the writer. Stop arguing as if these things happened. Writer's intent was to show her putting forth some good effort into the blow. Not debatable. Anything else is making shit up.
Writer's have easy techniques to show a character using a tiny fraction of the their strength. It's part of story telling.

Using a character's low showings as a base towards their average when trying to scale is a faulty. Crocs low showings (being choked out by two face) is far from his average.

Plus I was scaling strength and durability from other characters. Not performance. I'm scaling KS physical attributes based off the attacks he endured and the damage output he did.

A beat B and B beat C doesn't mean A can beat C.

Use exact analogies when debating.
Show Croc average feats (shit he's tank and dished out) and compare that with the fight against KS (specifics like KS pinched Croc with no effect or Croc punched KS and stunned him)

Originally posted by h1a8
WW doesn't exist and never existed. There is no such thing as her training. It never happened. The only thing that exists is in the mind of the writer. Stop arguing as if these things happened. Writer's intent was to show her putting forth some good effort into the blow. Not debatable. Anything else is making shit up.
Writer's have easy techniques to show a character using a tiny fraction of the their strength. It's part of story telling.

Using a character's low showings as a base towards their average when trying to scale is a faulty. Crocs low showings (being choked out by two face) is far from his average.

Plus I was scaling strength and durability from other characters. Not performance. I'm scaling KS physical attributes based off the attacks he endured and the damage output he did.

A beat B and B beat C doesn't mean A can beat C.

Use exact analogies when debating.
Show Croc average feats (shit he's tank and dished out) and compare that with the fight against KS (specifics like KS pinched Croc with no effect or Croc punched KS and stunned him)

Writer's intent was to show her skill and abilities to hit him in such a way as to make him drop the guard, but at the same time not hurt him. This is a fun way to debate .

Thus, using it as a feat for his durability is wrong, as WW was there to protect him (explicitly said by the writer). Not hurt him.

It counts towards his average, no? Two Face, Batwoman, Katana, Harley - they all count towards his average. I'm not even using low showings like random thugs.

Croc has a tougher hide than Shark. Explicitly said, too. Durability,there you go a direct comparison🙂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Writer's intent was to show her skill and abilities to hit him in such a way as to make him drop the guard, but at the same time not hurt him. This is a fun way to debate .

Thus, using it as a feat for his durability is wrong, as WW was there to protect him (explicitly said by the writer). Not hurt him.

It counts towards his average, no? Two Face, Batwoman, Katana, Harley - they all count towards his average. I'm not even using low showings like random thugs.

Croc has a tougher hide than Shark. Explicitly said, too. Durability,there you go a direct comparison🙂

Using two hands to elbow instead of one is the writer showing us the effort she put forth. If the writer wanted us to believe she wasn’t using a significant amount of effort then the showing would have been different.This is common sense.
Skillful attack using two hands instead of one = effort in story telling.

No it doesn’t.
Stop giving performance scaling.I told you that was faulty.
Give actual specific events, like Harley kicked him.
Specific things in which we scale strength and durability. Not overall performance or outcomes.

Im curious. So you are going to bail everyone out? Smurph can debate on his own.He doesn't need help

Smurph is my alter-ego.

Originally posted by h1a8
Im curious. So you are going to bail everyone out? Smurph can debate on his own.He doesn't need help

You're always wrong about everything, that's why the whole forum is against you, you know.

You should be quite used to it by now.

Originally posted by h1a8

Argue against all points simultaneously if you disagree with them. Not one at a time.
Unless you mention that you will address them later in your post. Then it's ok to pick 1 thing at a time.

Originally posted by h1a8
Credibility is only valid if you going to take someone word without proof.

You said King Shark has class 100 strength and an "insane" healing factor. So, let's see some proof.

Originally posted by Smurph
lol, uh, no? I think I'll proceed through your points in whatever order I feel like.

And as you have demonstrated, we cannot take your word without proof. 👆

You said King Shark has class 100 strength and an "insane" healing factor. So, let's see some proof.

I gave proof to the class 100 strength. Plus you just seen proof of him biting with class 100 power.
Insane is an opinionated word. He does have a regenerative ability where he can regrow flesh, limbs, etc.

Originally posted by h1a8
I gave proof to the class 100 strength. Plus you just seen proof of him biting with class 100 power.
Insane is an opinionated word. He does have a regenerative ability where he can regrow flesh, limbs, etc.

Insane is a word that you used as part of your argument. You listed four reasons that KS wins, one of which being an "insane healing factor"

So what's the best feat that you can show for this insane healing factor?

Originally posted by h1a8
Im curious. So you are going to bail everyone out? Smurph can debate on his own.He doesn't need help

He might need help coming up with new adjectives to describe you.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Omg.

This???

Yeah......that's not quite the fight performance from King Shark you think it is lol.

If THAT counts as some insane durability feat, then I guess I should have posted Fisk getting kicked by fucking Kurse and keeping smiling while talking to Malekith...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
If THAT counts as some insane durability feat, then I guess I should have posted Fisk getting kicked by fucking Kurse and keeping smiling while talking to Malekith...

He was outright laughing at Malekith, too, and this was after he had just been in a helicopter crash (hence the wounds):

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
If THAT counts as some insane durability feat, then I guess I should have posted Fisk getting kicked by fucking Kurse and keeping smiling while talking to Malekith...

That's not a feat. Not only KP was visibly damaged but he was struck hard enough to punish him for information. There is 0 indication that Kurse used any great effort.

Originally posted by Smurph
You just told me to not take you at your word, and to ask for proof from the comics. The only proof you've provided is laughably different from what you described, and a non-feat that has nothing to do with class 100 strength.

Insane is a word that you used as part of your argument. You listed four reasons that KS wins, one of which being an "insane healing factor"

So what's the best feat that you can show for this insane healing factor?

Just do a simple comparison. Kingpin's top power output vs KS top durability feats.
Then do KP top durability feats against KS top power output feats.
Simple.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's not a feat. Not only KP was visibly damaged but he was struck hard enough to punish him for information. There is 0 indication that Kurse used any great effort.

I'm too lazy to show something that you ALREADY KNOW ABOUT. So I concede the healing factor (common knowledge really). KS wins without it very easily.

Just do a simple comparison. Kingpin's top power output vs KS top durability feats.
Then do KP top durability feats against KS top power output feats.
Simple.

Actually, Kingpin didn't give out any information as a result of the punishment. He did it to serve his own ends.

Originally posted by h1a8

I'm too lazy to show something that you ALREADY KNOW ABOUT. So I concede the healing factor (common knowledge really). KS wins without it very easily.

I already know that King Shark heals in a matter of pages, at best, not panels. You called it an "insane healing factor", which was another lie. It's more like Hawkman's healing.

Originally posted by h1a8
Just do a simple comparison. Kingpin's top power output vs KS top durability feats.
Then do KP top durability feats against KS top power output feats.
Simple.

Originally posted by h1a8
Using two hands to elbow instead of one is the writer showing us the effort she put forth. If the writer wanted us to believe she wasn’t using a significant amount of effort then the showing would have been different.This is common sense.
Skillful attack using two hands instead of one = effort in story telling.

No it doesn’t.
Stop giving performance scaling.I told you that was faulty.
Give actual specific events, like Harley kicked him.
Specific things in which we scale strength and durability. Not overall performance or outcomes.

Well there are things like Harley KOing him with a bowling ball.

And as I said, WW in that story didn't look like a Class 100. You of all people argue that writers differ in their depictions.

Maybe Diana was using two hands to one elbow so that the first hand could hold back the sheer might of the second.

After all, she was telling KS she wasn't his enemy. Wouldn't be very convincing if she said that and then put a hole in his abdomen.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
If THAT counts as some insane durability feat, then I guess I should have posted Fisk getting kicked by fucking Kurse and keeping smiling while talking to Malekith...

Puny gods!

Originally posted by Smurph
Maybe Diana was using two hands to one elbow so that the first hand could hold back the sheer might of the second.

After all, she was telling KS she wasn't his enemy. Wouldn't be very convincing if she said that and then put a hole in his abdomen.

Anyway KS wins this

Concession accepted 👆