Michael Demiurgos vs the Beyonder

Originally posted by zopzop
Yet Michael died and was never able to recover. His greatest feat required him to DIE expending all his energy so his brother, Lucifer, who was specificially made to shape that energy could form something out of it. Lucifer almost died too but was saved last second by one of his cronies.

Beyonder doesn't need anyone or anything for him to create, destroy, restore, or erase. His enemies have tried to kill him multiple times and each time he raises himself up under his own power and goes about his business as usual.

Last time I checked, Michael's still deader than a door nail, right?

His Demiurgic power was also used:
-As the foundation/power-source for Lucifer's creation.
-As the foundation/power-source that would enable Elaine to become the next God/Yahweh.

Also worth mentioning that Carey has stated in interviews since that he views the terms "universe" and "multiverse" interchangeably. In his eyes, they represent the exact same thing: the sum total of creation(ie. a myriad of realms/dimensions, etc)... Effectively everything within the Vertigo-verse at the time.

Originally posted by Galan007
I suppose Michael's greatest solo feat would be using his energy to renew every single atom of Yahweh's creation -- a task that, per the Angels, only God himself could accomplish.

His Demiurgic power was also used:
-As the foundation/power-source for Lucifer's creation.
-As the foundation/power-source that would enable Elaine to become the next God/Yahweh.

Ok.

Also worth mentioning that Carey has stated in interviews since that he views the terms "universe" and "multiverse" interchangeably. In his eyes, they represent the exact same thing: the sum total of creation(ie. a myriad of realms/dimensions, etc)... Effectively everything within the Vertigo-verse at the time.

Same energy 😂

Originally posted by zopzop
Yet Michael died and was never able to recover. His greatest feat required him to DIE expending all his energy so his brother, Lucifer, who was specificially made to shape that energy could form something out of it. Lucifer almost died too but was saved last second by one of his cronies.

Beyonder doesn't need anyone or anything for him to create, destroy, restore, or erase. His enemies have tried to kill him multiple times and each time he raises himself up under his own power and goes about his business as usual.

Last time I checked, Michael's still deader than a door nail, right?

you should actually read the story and find out yourself, because just reading your posts there are so many errors you almost seem clueless

as long as creation exist michael cannot die. the only way for michael to die and not reborn is to take his dunamis demiurgos power from him and give it to somebody else (like him giving it to elaine), or else the entire creation die with him

when michael was stabbed by lucifer (willingly), so lucifer can create another multiverse. michael reborn instantly, his rebirth was what triggered lucifer's big bang.

the second time, he was fighting fenris possessed lucifer. and he was holding back, he did not want to hurt his brother. thus lucy was able to kill him. and as he was dying, he gave all his power to his daughter elaine. cause the entire creation/multiverse would go with him if he dies. without his dunamis power he's just a mortal shell and that's when he actually died. he died but his power never went away. the dunamis demiurgos power reside within elaine now.

beyonder doesn't compare to the dunamis demiurgos power it just doesn't. that's the power of the presence/yahweh. in marvel term it's the power of toaa.

when michael was inside the logos he was able to use that power to renew God's name on every atom in creation

for beyonder to compare you first need to prove the marvel multiverse is on the same level of scale/size as dc (which is not), then you have to prove beyonder possess the power equivalent to the one above all that can build and end creations (which he cannot), then we can have a logical discussion.

if we are gonna just reduce to lowballing like you are doing. I'll just start pulling out scans of puma, but that kind of discussion really won't get us anywhere

Originally posted by zopzop

Ok.

Marvel's 616 reality has also been described as a multiverse with various god realms, pocket dimensions, etc.. [/B]

what does that have to do with anything

in dc the new 52 is a local multiverse with various realms and dimensions yet it is only a small part of the cosmo, a local area of the entire dc multiverse

similar to 616

when you are talking marvel 616 as a multiverse, the word multiverse does not mean infinite in the sense of scale/size

but the dc/vertigo multiverse was/is infinite

Originally posted by MrMind
you should actually read the story and find out yourself, because just reading your posts there are so many errors you almost seem clueless

as long as creation exist michael cannot die. the only way for michael to die and not reborn is to take his dunamis demiurgos power from him and give it to somebody else (like him giving it to elaine), or else the entire creation die with him

when michael was stabbed by lucifer (willingly), so lucifer can create another multiverse. michael reborn instantly, his rebirth was what triggered lucifer's big bang.

the second time, he was fighting fenris possessed lucifer. and he was holding back, he did not want to hurt his brother. thus lucy was able to kill him. and as he was dying, he gave all his power to his daughter elaine. cause the entire creation/multiverse would go with him if he dies. without his dunamis power he's just a mortal shell and that's when he actually died. he died but his power never went away. the dunamis demiurgos power reside within elaine now.

beyonder doesn't compare to the dunamis demiurgos power it just doesn't. that's the power of the presence/yahweh. in marvel term it's the power of toaa.

when michael was inside the logos he was able to use that power to renew God's name on every atom in creation

for beyonder to compare you first need to prove the marvel multiverse is on the same level of scale/size as dc (which is not), then you have to prove beyonder possess the power equivalent to the one above all that can build and end creations (which he cannot), then we can have a logical discussion.

if we are gonna just reduce to lowballing like you are doing. I'll just start pulling out scans of puma, but that kind of discussion really won't get us anywhere

Originally posted by MrMind
what does that have to do with anything

in dc the new 52 is a local multiverse with various realms and dimensions yet it is only a small part of the cosmo, a local area of the entire dc multiverse

similar to 616

when you are talking marvel 616 as a multiverse, the word multiverse does not mean infinite in the sense of scale/size

but the dc/vertigo multiverse was/is infinite

Originally posted by zopzop
So he's dead and not coming back. My point exactly. Beyonder in any of his forms just reconstitutes himself whenever he wants to come back.

Oh please. Marvel's multiverse is also infinitely vast.

I thought you said DCs was more vast and had more cosmic beings than marvels. Remember, Michael owned Spectre.

Golgo, why are you wearing Goku as your avatar?

Toriyama hired you?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Golgo, why are you wearing Goku as your avatar?

Toriyama hired you?

DBZ is the shit

Galan, Phil, Abhi, Golgo all agreeing that DBZ anally destroys DC.

Beautiful times we live in! 😄

Originally posted by Senor Cage
I thought you said DCs was more vast and had more cosmic beings than marvels. Remember, Michael owned Spectre.

DC has characters that dwarf Beyonder (or anyone else in Marvel), see Mxy for example. Lucifer or Michael ain't it.

Originally posted by zopzop
All of DC with it's crazy dimensions? Yes. Just Vertigo? No.

DC has characters that dwarf Beyonder (or anyone else in Marvel), see Mxy for example. Lucifer or Michael ain't it.

Check out the current runs on Flash and Outsiders for new crazy dimensions/multiverse stuff.

Originally posted by MrMind
at the very least a multiverse

https://ibb.co/19hpwvb][img]https://i.ibb.co/7G8T6Yb/5401998-lucifer-multiverse.jpg

this was again reconfirmed in v2 when lucifer mentioned during v1 he left presence creation and went into the infinite void after creating his own multiverse.
https://ibb.co/yygcW2t][img]https://i.ibb.co/r65R49Y/5401999-lucifer-multiverses.png

So you would give similar full faith and credit to Chaos King who was announced as having eaten 98% of the Marvel Multiverse? Then a dying God Herc restored the entire Marvel Multiverse?

Let me know.

bro i was always on the camp that chaos king destroyed a multiverse

you are barking on the wrong tree

^ So by the lip service you rely on, then why aren't you of the persuasion that Beyonder outscales multiversal entities by millions of times? As if the Marvel Multiverse were a drop of water and Beyonder were the ocean?

again, you are assuming

i acknowledged the statements

it just pales in comparison to michael and dc cosmology

the marvel multiverse is infinitely smaller than dc

and if you contend that, we can pull out scans and start comparing

Originally posted by MrMind
again, you are assuming

i acknowledged the statements

it just pales in comparison to michael and dc cosmology

the marvel multiverse is infinitely smaller than dc

and if you contend that, we can pull out scans and start comparing

I assume you're aware of the statements that the Beyonder was millions times more powerful than the Marvel Multiverse. I also assume that you're aware that it was like a drop of water compared to the ocean that is the Beyond realm.

By all means, show me scans where Beyonder isn't even close to that scope of power that, apparently to you: Michael represents.

beyond realm view the marvel multiverse as a drop of water is at best

comparable to the monitor realm which view the entire dc third dimensional multiverse as germ

and

far inferior to the dark multiverse which is the vast ocean the tiny multiverse (which include the monitor realm from the map) float on

https://imgur.com/jCuK7WY

we haven't even gotten into the fifth dimension, sixth dimension, overvoid

prove beyond realm bigger than monitor realm first, than we can scale above

baby steps

So people are talking about Beyonder in this thread like PR Beyonder is canon again. Is this the case? Is he back to being a far above multiversal badass?

Originally posted by NemeBro
So people are talking about Beyonder in this thread like PR Beyonder is canon again. Is this the case? Is he back to being a far above multiversal badass?