Captain America vs Wonder Woman w/twist

Originally posted by cdtm
Didn't mean to come off as a jerk, this is just a huge pet peeve of mine, and makes scan comparisons virtually impossible.

I mean come on, we all know Matt Murdoch is >>>>>>> Frank Castle in skills. The fact is Bullseye is a peer of Matt, Frank should get blized to death by someone on his level. But NOOOOO, Frank has to win their fights because he's the F'n Punisher.

So just post Wonder Woman h2h fighting skills instead of whining about Punisher.

The problem is Captain America isn't very smart or very skilled, most would agree he has no chance here

Originally posted by ODG
You can deride Punisher's h2h skills. But if you review his fights with Daredevil, etc., he more than substantially acquits himself.

So just post Wonder Woman h2h fighting skills instead of whining about Punisher.

Do you watch wrestling? Have you ever seen Kurt Angle against The Rock or Steve Austin?

That's how a Punisher fight plays out. Bullseye or Matt unload everything they have, Castle tanks it, Castle catches them with one or two moves that beats them.

It's called "Jobbing".

So we have a 6'2 250lbs man vs 5'10 140lbs woman? How do you think this is going to end? LOL.

Originally posted by zopzop
So we have a 6'2 250lbs man vs 5'10 140lbs woman? How do you think this is going to end? LOL.

Well look at Black Widow. Most believe that she can beat A REAL LIFE 250LB trained human male fighter.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well look at Black Widow. Most believe that she can beat A REAL LIFE 250LB trained human male fighter.

We've been over this

Skills subjective here I'm an expert at everything

People also think that doing excessive acrobatics and spinny flippy kicks means you're skilled at fighting, when in real life most of those people would get mowed the f*** down in a street fight trying that stupid s***

Wonder Woman's grabbed Zoom II with the lasso, in spite of him being so fast Wally can't keep up, that takes skill.

And Steve bounces a disk around a dozen moving targets while dodging gunfire with such precision that he can catch it on the move from an entirely different location.

If you put some thought into it, it's pretty insane.

Originally posted by cdtm
Wonder Woman's grabbed Zoom II with the lasso, in spite of him being so fast Wally can't keep up, that takes skill.

But the OP specifically states Diana doesn't have them

Originally posted by lawest9
This is h2h only with all of Diana's superhuman abilities gone, nothing left but her meele fighting skills and Amazon training, none of their weapons allowed, who wins?

She also doesn't have a lasso 😂

If a rodeo cowboy steps into the ring with a professional heavyweight champ, you wouldn't place a bet based on whether he won the calf roping event.

Yeah most of Wonder Woman feats wouldn’t be credible because she uses them along with superhuman feats. Fighting skills is roughly the same. Their size is a big factor in winning and Cap is also enhanced with super solider serum. Caps brute force overpowers her.

Originally posted by cdtm
Do you watch wrestling? Have you ever seen Kurt Angle against The Rock or Steve Austin?

That's how a Punisher fight plays out. Bullseye or Matt unload everything they have, Castle tanks it, Castle catches them with one or two moves that beats them.

It's called "Jobbing".

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
And Steve bounces a disk around a dozen moving targets while dodging gunfire with such precision that he can catch it on the move from an entirely different location.

If you put some thought into it, it's pretty insane.

Originally posted by Smurph
Black Widow is superhuman

We've been over this

No she isn't. She's human with absolutely no superpowers.
Doing rare things that no REAL HUMAN could maybe do doesn't make her superhuman when she is a human.
You can chalk those rare things up to PIS.

Her ability was due to training and exercise. She's not a mutant.

Therefore she can beat REAL 250LB. TRAINED MALE FIGHTERS due to her skill (nothing else)

Originally posted by h1a8
No she isn't. She's human with absolutely no superpowers.
Doing rare things that no REAL HUMAN could maybe do doesn't make her superhuman when she is a human.
You can chalk those rare things up to PIS.

Her ability was due to training and exercise. She's not a mutant.

Therefore she can beat REAL 250LB. TRAINED MALE FIGHTERS due to her skill (nothing else)

You've been shown scans of her dodging sniper ammo after its fired.

You've been shown scans of her being awake through major abdominal surgery, fighting her way out of the hospital, and then immediately stalemating Elektra in h2h combat.

You've been shown scans of her straight up demolishing Taskmaster, blow for blow.

And since you don't even read comics, you don't have a basis for disbelieving those scans, you just choose to ignore them.

Originally posted by Smurph
Troll. She's been enhanced for decades. And regardless, feats are what counts.

You've been shown scans of her dodging sniper ammo after its fired.

You've been shown scans of her being awake through major abdominal surgery, fighting her way out of the hospital, and then immediately stalemating Elektra in h2h combat.

You've been shown scans of her straight up demolishing Taskmaster, blow for blow.

And since you don't even read comics, you don't have a basis for disbelieving those scans, you just choose to ignore them.

Prove that she has been physically enhanced.
If successful then it makes her RARE feats admissible.
And thus she's not a good example to why female humans can defeat 250lb trained male fighters.

Lastly a few feats in hundreds of appearances doesn't dismiss human PIS feats. 99% of the time she operates in human range.

But again, if she's enhanced physically then those feats can be explained away.

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that she has been physically enhanced.
If successful then it makes her RARE feats admissible.
And thus she's not a good example to why female humans can defeat 250lb trained male fighters.

Lastly a few feats in hundreds of appearances doesn't dismiss human PIS feats. 99% of the time she operates in human range.

But again, if she's enhanced physically then those feats can be explained away.

I've already given you scans and issue numbers. We don't need to introduce a further threshold of "show me the enhancements or else it's inadmissible." You want to provide your own proof to rebut those things, go for it.

Good post, only part that's demonstrably wrong is H1 trolling.

Most trolls take the mask off, he's way too consistent.

Originally posted by Smurph
No, troll. Her feats are admissible because they're her feats. The rule isn't "PIS unless proven otherwise".

I've already given you scans and issue numbers. We don't need to introduce a further threshold of "show me the enhancements or else it's inadmissible." You want to provide your own proof to rebut those things, go for it.

So PIS doesn't ever exist. It's not a rule. Good to know. Batman is faster than light and has strength well over 1000 tons and durability to resist thousands of tons. I can go on and on.

Also you claimed that she was physically enhanced (in the sense of increased speed, reactions, strength, etc). You have to prove such claims when requested. Otherwise you are trolling.