Originally posted by StoicWell she is naturally an Amazon. So without her gifts then she would still possess superhuman stats.
Diana is a great fighter, but if you took her strength away, many of the skill feats that she can produce would be greatly diminished. Acrobatics for example would likely be used far less, as would several other abilities that she has.
But it's up to the OP
Originally posted by StoicI see many arguments that abjectly reject both Diana's superspeed and bulletproof durability.
Diana is a great fighter, but if you took her strength away, many of the skill feats that she can produce would be greatly diminished. Acrobatics for example would likely be used far less, as would several other abilities that she has.
In which case, her ability to deflect and avoid wounds from bullets 99.9% of the time can really only be explained by skill, no?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It would strangely appear so.
Either she aim blocked the shots, got lucky while randomly blocking (considering her eyes were closed in some instances), or possessed superhuman perception and reaction speed.
If it's the latter, it contradicts the claim that she is powerless in this scenario, operating with only human-level abilities.
According to the OP, Wonder Woman has **no** superhuman abilities here; her synapse speed and movements are limited to human-level speeds. This means she can only perform as an ordinary human.
The fastest a human can typically react is in 0.1 seconds, but within that time, a bullet would have already traveled over 30 meters.
Originally posted by h1a8
Skill is mostly subjective. Expert's opinions hold more weight than non experts.
I'm an expert in fighting.
From what I've seen, WW's attack and defense seem as efficient and as effectives as Cap's.
From her ability to block, dodge, and parry to her ability to throw an effective kick, elbow, pressure strike, etc to countering all seems on par with Cap to me.
Originally posted by h1a8Ok, you've forgotten what you, Smurph and I were initially discussing. So I'll arbitrarily take the blame here.
Lol
H2h skill is comparable (if you disregard superhuman physical attributes).
Cap stomps her because he has a significant physical advantage.
But we were arguing about strength, speed and durability being equal and you arguing it's a good fight. So... why?
Originally posted by ODG
Ok, you've forgotten what you, Smurph and I were initially discussing. So I'll arbitrarily take the blame here.But we were arguing about strength, speed and durability being equal and you arguing it's a good fight. So... why?
I believe they possess comparable skill for the following reasons:
1. My subjective assessment of their offensive and defensive showings.
2. Their fictional battle experience.
3. Some writer's intent.
That being said, I believe Cap would have a slight edge over Wonder Woman in skill, but it would still be a closely contested fight.
Let me ask you: How do you measure fictional h2h combat skill, excluding superhuman abilities?
Originally posted by h1a8I ain't even drunk 3 beers yet and you've completely flummoxed me with this response. Lemme try and re-establish a starting point to salvage some semblance of a constructive discussion.
I believe they possess comparable skill for the following reasons:
1. My subjective assessment of their offensive and defensive showings.
2. Their fictional battle experience.
3. Some writer's intent.That being said, I believe Cap would have a slight edge over Wonder Woman in skill, but it would still be a closely contested fight.
Let me ask you: How do you measure fictional h2h combat skill, excluding superhuman abilities?
Take stat-equalized Cap, Black Widow and Diana. They fight each other 1v1. So Cap v. Natasha. Cap v. Diana. Natasha v. Cap. Natasha v. Diana. Diana v. Cap.
Diana v. Natasha.
Taken altogether, who does the best as a whole and who does the worst as a whole?