Originally posted by carver9
He literally destroyed an amped Galactus that was stated to be more powerful than any version before it. He drained all of his power from him and then killed him with it along with a being that consumes Universes. Darkseid...Fights Superman.
He beat Galactus through a plot device
So how powerful would you guys say that Galactus was during that story? If you recall, they didn't leave any room to make implied power claims. Thor toyed with him. Spectre is variable in terms of power level, and the rest were well below Galactus. I'll read Odyssey to see what you guys are talking about.
Originally posted by Stoic
So how powerful would you guys say that Galactus was during that story? If you recall, they didn't leave any room to make implied power claims. Thor toyed with him. Spectre is variable in terms of power level, and the rest were well below Galactus. I'll read Odyssey to see what you guys are talking about.
Originally posted by StoicYou're right that they didn't really leave any room for interpretation. Galactus stated he was more powerful than he had ever been once he ate those five unique planets.
So how powerful would you guys say that Galactus was during that story? If you recall, they didn't leave any room to make implied power claims. Thor toyed with him. Spectre is variable in terms of power level, and the rest were well below Galactus. I'll read Odyssey to see what you guys are talking about.
But Thor still drained all his amped Power Cosmic reducing Galactus to a husk and converting his corpse into a bomb.
I still chalk it up to full Odinforce Cosmic Thor being given an inadvertent backdoor into the Power Cosmic by Galactus that allowed him to do what he did. If you don't, then full Odinforce Cosmic Thor was waaayyy more powerful than an amped Galactus. Which arguably doesn't jive with the plot at all.
But either way, you cannot act like Galactus wasn't amped beyond any point we've ever seen him before in 616 canon.
Originally posted by ODG
You're right that they didn't really leave any room for interpretation. Galactus stated he was more powerful than he had ever been once he ate those five unique planets.But Thor still drained all his amped Power Cosmic reducing Galactus to a husk and converting his corpse into a bomb.
I still chalk it up to full Odinforce Cosmic Thor being given an inadvertent backdoor into the Power Cosmic by Galactus that allowed him to do what he did. If you don't, then full Odinforce Cosmic Thor was waaayyy more powerful than an amped Galactus. Which arguably doesn't jive with the plot at all.
But either way, you cannot act like Galactus wasn't amped beyond any point we've ever seen him before in 616 canon.
Exactly, now that being said, how well would he do at the height of his power while also having the power Cosmic in tow? I find it difficult to believe that Darkseid wouldn't have a fight on his hands. Thor resisted forces that ate entire universes, which was seen on panel.
Originally posted by Stoic
Exactly, now that being said, how well would he do at the height of his power while also having the power Cosmic in tow? I find it difficult to believe that Darkseid wouldn't have a fight on his hands. Thor resisted forces that ate entire universes, which was seen on panel.
But see the Power Cosmic is only a back door to Galactus because his substance is made of the stuff. Darkseid would need to make Thor his herald or something, and even that isn't a gimmie because we're talking about two entirely different things here.
^ While I will continue to posit that Cosmic Thor's feats against Galactus were necessarily connected to inadvertent backdoor access to the Power Cosmic as a whole, Cosmic Thor still fought the Black Winter.
He used a godblast against the Black Winter and "made it bleed", whatever that means. Purple prose aside, he clearly staggered the Black Winter. And that was accomplished before he drained an amped Galactus' energies.
I don't see Darkseid staggering the Black Winter.
Originally posted by StoicUnless it's a True Form Darkseid... I don't think it's a contest at all. So I think we agree with each other.
Exactly, now that being said, how well would he do at the height of his power while also having the power Cosmic in tow? I find it difficult to believe that Darkseid wouldn't have a fight on his hands. Thor resisted forces that ate entire universes, which was seen on panel.
Originally posted by ODG
^ While I will continue to posit that Cosmic Thor's feats against Galactus were necessarily connected to inadvertent backdoor access to the Power Cosmic as a whole, Cosmic Thor still fought the Black Winter.He used a godblast against the Black Winter and "made it bleed", whatever that means. Purple prose aside, he clearly staggered the Black Winter. And that was accomplished before he drained an amped Galactus' energies.
I don't see Darkseid staggering the Black Winter. Unless it's a True Form Darkseid... I don't think it's a contest at all. So I think we agree with each other.
Made him bleed, but could he defeat BW without the exploit?
And is true Darkseid comparable to Black Winter? Or is he weaker?