Cosmic King Thor vs Darkseid

Started by ODG8 pages

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Not according to the pages I posted, no
Also I think Galan missed a scan where after AM blasted DS(due to he was distracted by Kalibak's scream), DS still managed to punch AM and seemed getting upperhand
https://ibb.co/YWCwwm5
Nobody argued N52 Darkseid couldn't punch N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor. Stop moving the goalposts you yourself initially set. You claimed he stalemated him. So stop fleeing from the consequences of your own claim's deconstruction.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
A young Darkseid caused the destruction of timelines due to he is too powerful/directly related to his power levels, as the scan I posted directly states here
https://ibb.co/hCmK8vN
Disingenuous dumba$$. Taking a more consequentially significant historical figure out of their timeline will have a more drastic butterfly effect on said timeline. Stop pretending that you don't understand basic science fiction tropes.

Also, stop pretending that you read the actual storyline. Because if you continue reading The Legion #29-30, you'd see young Darkseid killing that old Darkseid in a futile attempt to usurp his place. Only to be ironically horrified that the reversion timewave threatened that future with young Darkseid in it and he couldn't do crap about it.

So what does his helplessness signify? That young Darkseid possessed supreme universal power to crush timelines? Even though he couldn't do sh1t to protect himself from a time reversion wave? Or that despite his historical significance, even he was just as helpless as anybody else to the most common consequence of the butterfly effect?

The central conceit of the story climaxed in a comeuppance punctuated by his hubris being called out and mocked as "Dorkseid":
https://photobucket.com/u/OneDumbG0/a/4f85b22e-8a9a-4937-aa75-de27b06e27d7/p/c09a1f66-6134-4fd1-b3d0-6ca7e5f267f0

What delusional-pixiedust-candyland-Bizarro-world, fantasy do you live in that you can peddle this storyline as reflecting well on Darkseid, much less as proof that "Darkseid already crush[es] timelines" (your words)????? ffs

Originally posted by h1a8
Thank you for that response. The question was genuine as I didn't read the entire arc and missed the fight with amped Galactus with Thor fighting him.
Only saw scans of Thor using Galactus as a bomb (which came after the initial fight as you explained).

The reason why I said average Galactus because I assumed that was the only version (basically a non amped version) that fought BW off panel before the arc began. Which is the reason Galactus was running from him.

So disregard what I said since I didn't know about the fight you just mentioned.

qwertyuiop1998's lunacy was testing my patience. So in all sincerity, your honesty is refreshing.
Originally posted by h1a8
So basically it took Galans total energy at once to kill BW. While small portions at a time (in blasts) did almost nothing to BW.
Is this correct?
Yes, correct. Here are scans of the fight that involved amped Galactus directly fighting the Black Winter -- minus the mentally/spiritually??? internal fight that Cosmic Thor struggled through -- but right before Cosmic Thor stole amped Galactus' power and detonated the Galactus Superbomb:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter01.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter02.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter03.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter04.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter05.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter06.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter07.jpg

To be clear, at no point beyond amped Galactus being slammed into the moon does he attack the Black Winter. That's because that's exactly the point where Cosmic Thor steals all of his amped Power Cosmic.

Might as well post the entire conclusion:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter08.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter09.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter10.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter11_5o9vKxM9vJeFDZWuQNnPfC.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter12.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter13.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter14.jpg

Look, what Cosmic Thor achieved is ludicrous. And even though there's not a single hint of Galactus unintentionally giving Thor a backdoor into the Power Cosmic... there's just no explaining what he did otherwise.

Originally posted by ODG
Nobody argued N52 Darkseid couldn't punch N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor. Stop moving the goalposts you yourself initially set. You claimed he stalemated him. So stop fleeing from the consequences of your own claim's deconstruction. Disingenuous dumba$$.

I think you missed the whole sentence "Not according to the pages I posted".
Darkseid and AM fought 6 pages
Darkseid and AM clashed, neither shows any power gap in here
https://ibb.co/svr9ZyV
Then as the fight goes on there are one pages shows Grail's fight
https://ibb.co/L5Qzg8q
And then AM blasts DS due to he is distracted
https://ibb.co/tbCmxHL
Then there are still two pages of Superman and Lex, then the next time we saw DS and AM, DS punched AM and gaining upper hand
https://ibb.co/5ksjTd2
https://ibb.co/PMRxpj1
https://ibb.co/YWCwwm5
And later, DS calls Black Racer and the odds change in this fight

I.E, throughout the entire fight, with at least 6 pages time, there isn't any sign shows a definite power gap between them. So yes, I would call this is a stalemate

It also meshes well with the scene in Forever Evil where AM needed to consume universes to prepare his battle with DS
https://ibb.co/BHM8V9t
https://ibb.co/JK3XDfw

Originally posted by ODG
Taking a more consequentially significant historical figure out of their timeline will have a more drastic butterfly effect on said timeline. Stop pretending that you don't understand basic science fiction tropes.

Also, stop pretending that you read the actual storyline. Because if you continue reading The Legion #29-30, you'd see young Darkseid killing that old Darkseid in a futile attempt to usurp his place. Only to be ironically horrified that the reversion timewave threatened that future with young Darkseid in it and he couldn't do crap about it.

So what does his helplessness signify? That young Darkseid possessed supreme universal power to crush timelines? Even though he couldn't do sh1t to protect himself from a time reversion wave? Or that despite his historical significance, even he was just as helpless as anybody else to the most common consequence of the butterfly effect?

The central conceit of the story climaxed in a comeuppance punctuated by his hubris being called out and mocked as "Dorkseid":
https://photobucket.com/u/OneDumbG0/a/4f85b22e-8a9a-4937-aa75-de27b06e27d7/p/c09a1f66-6134-4fd1-b3d0-6ca7e5f267f0

What delusional-pixiedust-candyland-Bizarro-world, fantasy do you live in that you can peddle this storyline as reflecting well on Darkseid, much less as proof that "Darkseid already crush[es] timelines" (your words)????? ffs


And Cosmic Thor brought to his knees by a random alien throws a rock
https://ibb.co/FbPV5QN
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Just surprised?

He was on his damn knees, lol.

And yes, I read the entire arc, which is why I think that you don't have a scan that explicitly states what you claimed/directly contradicts to Darkseid states the reason for timelines collapsing is due to they're too powerful
Similar to you don't have the scan that directly states DS dragging the entire Multiverse is due to he's amped by ALE in the FC comics.

IOW, you can consider this I call you like to project your delusions/headcanon into the actual comics.
And judging by the following posts, I also think it shows that you like to project your delusions into others(jumping to conclusion that others don't read the comics they're citing and acting like an authority for example)

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And later, DS calls Black Racer and the odds change in this fight
That's a really deceitful colorful way of trying to avoid admitting that N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor outright killed N52 Darkseid:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Mobius01.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Mobius02.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Mobius03.jpg

D1s sh1t is stupider than quanchi112 arguing that Thanos stalemated Odin. FFS, Odin didn't even outright kill Thanos. N52 Mobius ANti-Monitor literally killed N52 Darkseid. Stalemate, my a$$.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And Cosmic Thor brought to his knees by a random alien throws a rock
https://ibb.co/FbPV5QN
I mean, if you wanted to disprove my imaginary claim that Cosmic Thor was effectively immune to rocks/bricks, ok? I never claimed that. So this has nothing to do with the deconstruction of your initial post...

... oh wait, that's right. You're just deflecting and moving the goalposts. Oops, forgot that's what you're reduced to once called out.

Whatever. Dorkseid is uber. You can believe that. And I never said you don't have an argument. But acting like future Darkseid pulling a young Dorkseid out of his timeline causing a temporal revision wave via butterfly effect is proof that young Dorkseid "crush[es] timelines"???

You aren't nearly clever enough nor am I nearly gullible enough to dignify such a witless claim any further.

Originally posted by ODG
That's a really deceitful colorful way of trying to avoid admitting that N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor outright killed N52 Darkseid:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Mobius01.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Mobius02.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Mobius03.jpg

D1s sh1t is stupider than quanchi112 arguing that Thanos stalemated Odin. FFS, Odin didn't even outright kill Thanos. N52 Mobius ANti-Monitor literally killed N52 Darkseid. Stalemate, my a$$.


He was aided by the Black Racer, a being who just instantly wound him, no?
https://ibb.co/89TCq45

And if we want to count use the fight scene where BR enters the room, well, Darkseid is winning before AM turns BR into his slave
https://ibb.co/4j0FTJ1
https://ibb.co/dMhY8L1
https://ibb.co/9gRvb3H

I.E, whether you want to count BR or not, DS and AM are portraled as roughly equal in there

Originally posted by ODG
That's a really deceitful colorful way of trying to avo I mean, if you wanted to disprove my imaginary claim that Cosmic Thor was effectively immune to rocks/bricks, ok? I never claimed that. So this has nothing to do with the deconstruction of your initial post...

... oh wait, that's right. You're just deflecting and moving the goalposts. Oops, forgot that's what you're reduced to once called out.

Whatever. Dorkseid is uber. You can believe that. And I never said you don't have an argument. But acting like future Darkseid pulling a young Dorkseid out of his timeline causing a temporal revision wave via butterfly effect is proof that young Dorkseid "crush[es] timelines"???

You aren't nearly clever enough nor am I nearly gullible enough to dignify such a witless claim any further.


So I guess DS really just needs powers that above a rock(like ten times?) to knock out Cosmic Thor. Sounds like DS is going to win this fight

Yes, you're the one who is constantly moving the goalposts.
I said Darkseid's absence erasing timelines(due to he's too powerful), which is true, as directly states in the comic
I said DS stalements AM, which is also supported by the comic

While I ask you:
How does DS not stalement AM, despite all these pages above? And you posted a conclusion of that fight, which AM aided by BR
How does the statement "DS' absence caused timelines to crush down due to he is too powerful, with the scans directly state such, is wrong? You pull butterfly theory which doesn't contradict what I said
Where do the FC comics explicitly state that ALE amp Darkseid so he can pull the Multiverse? You never answered

Edit:
Also the "immune to rocks/bricks" seems a bit hypocritical,
As in the same spirit, I also can say I never say DS immune to the timewave he caused, only the fact that his absence was causing such timewave(which directly related to his power levels)

And yet, you're going to accuse me for that?

Oi vey. I really flubbed up some of the Black Winter scans. Reposting fixed links and more for context from Thor #4-6:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter00.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter00a.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter00b.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter01.jpg

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter02.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter03.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter04_fz3md4SGUKu45X2UAdxput.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter05.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter06.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter07.jpg

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter08.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter09_3zJ8Tr5jDcNA7g9Qs3nqJa.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter10.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter11_5o9vKxM9vJeFDZWuQNnPfC.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter12.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter13.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Black_Winter14_35PCytaun1q4jqKMif9pkz.jpg

If you want to know what Thor's apocalyptic vision was, read the book.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
He was aided by the Black Racer, a being who just instantly wound him, no?
https://ibb.co/89TCq45
JFC, this is why my first question was whether you even read Darkseid War. The Black Racer gambit was a manifestation of his ALE powers. The ALE was an intrinsic part of N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor. In the N52 retcon, it's what literally transformed him from Mobius into N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor as revealed by Mobius Chair-empowered Batman's investigation. It's why he says in the scans I posted that the ALE is in his veins.
You'd phucking know that if you actually read Darkseid War, much less read the scans I posted.

And from the very beginning of this tragic discussion, your initial, idiotic claim that N52 Darkseid "stalemated" N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor only belied the obvious: you never phucking actually read Darkseid War. Which is why I insisted on asking you if you ever did.

How are you the spiritual successor to quanchi112's "Thanos stalemated Odin" asininity????

I'm almost tempted to give you sick applause for exceeding such KMC-historic levels of brainlessness.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So I guess DS really just needs powers that above a rock(like ten times?) to knock out Cosmic Thor.
Baby Jesus wept. Definitely the stupidest strawman I've ever encountered during my entire history of posting on KMC.

When someone makes a Revamped qwertyuiop1998 Respect Thread, that post will be right at the top of the Stupid Feats Section.

I sincerely regret having led you by your clown nose and reducing your ego to such raw impotent imbecility.

Originally posted by ODG
JFC, this is why my first question was whether you even read Darkseid War. The Black Racer gambit was a manifestation of his ALE powers. The ALE was an intrinsic part of N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor. In the N52 retcon, it's what literally transformed him from Mobius into N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor as revealed by Mobius Chair-empowered Batman's investigation. It's why he says in the scans I posted that the ALE is in his veins.
You'd phucking know that if you actually read Darkseid War, much less read the scans I posted.

And from the very beginning of this tragic discussion, your initial, idiotic claim that N52 Darkseid "stalemated" N52 Mobius Anti-Monitor only belied the obvious: you never phucking actually read Darkseid War. Which is why I insisted on asking you if you ever did.

How are you the spiritual successor to quanchi112's "Thanos stalemated Odin" asininity????

I'm almost tempted to give you sick applause for exceeding such KMC-historic levels of brainlessness. Baby Jesus wept. Definitely the stupidest strawman I've ever encountered during my entire history of posting on KMC.

When someone makes a [b]Revamped qwertyuiop1998 Respect Thread, that post will be right at the top of the Stupid Feats Section.

I sincerely regret having led you by your clown nose and reducing your ego to such raw impotent imbecility. [/B]


I think you're missing the point here or simply misunderstanding the comic.
It is DS who has the BR in the first place. AM takes control of it *after* DS summoned it.
I.E, BR isn't an innate power that AM has

And I'm quite tired of "I'm the authority here because only I read the comics!!!" or "you're stupid, I'm right!!!" attitude.
It's just shows your arrogance at this point.

Edit:
Also it seems you're ignoring all other points/scans/proofs/the questions I ask here, only the insults to other posters remain. Which is no surprise judging by the past discussions we have I guess

I only have two KMC posters on my ignore list. One is quanchi112. Yet, with qwertyuiop1998's insistence on "Darkseid stalemated Anti-Monitor" schtick, I daresay he's plainly exceeded quanchi112's most commonly KMC-wide ridiculed stance of "Thanos stalemated Odin".

And y'know, thinking about that just now... it strikes me that qwertyuiop1998's a sock of abhilegend. The only other KMC poster on my ignore list (which is saying something).

The combination of moronic insincerity, sadomasochistic drive for continuing humiliation, flagrant DC-centric myth propaganda, and desperate bids for attention are reminiscent of that clown.

It actually drove a shiver up my spine. I am legitimately disquieted.

Originally posted by ODG
^ I only have two KMC posters on my ignore list. One is quanchi112. Yet, with your insistence on "Darkseid stalemated Anti-Monitor" schtick, I daresay you've exceeded quanchi112's most KMC-wide ridiculed stance of "Thanos stalemated Odin".

And y'know, thinking about that just now... it strikes me that you're a sock of abhilegend. The only other KMC poster on my ignore list (which is saying something).

The combination of moronic insincerity, sadomasochistic drive for continuing humiliation, and desperate bids for attention are reminiscent of that clown.

It actually drove a shiver up my spine. I am legitimately disquieted.


Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

Again, you're projecting your delusions here

But this is probably the most hilarious and shows your delusional mind post in my experience with you.

Saved

odg having another meltdown?

Sock Gate 2: ODG's bussy

is gonna be better than

Sock Gate 1: Fall of Mr Master

grabs popcorn.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But this is probably the most hilarious and shows your delusional mind post in my experience with you.

Saved

I mean, if I were being completely truthful. You're stupider than abhilegend was back when I put him on ignore in 2012. But that may just be a result of a gradual descent into dumba$$ery. Some people don't grow with age. They just get dumber.

I am legitimately unnerved.

Old Man Whirly! making a random sock to flame himself to accuse me and others of organized conspiracies against him was one thing. Because it was just so blatantly obvious.

This... this is altogether something far more insidious and sinister. Not like evil. It's the obsession that would have to underlie it all.

Originally posted by MrMind
odg having another meltdown?
I mean. I could be wrong. It's just that I legitimately never expected anybody to ever be more obsessively stupid than quanchi112 or abhilegend over simple comics.

And I wholly get that this seems to be excessively nasty. But for real, mang. The notion struck my mind out of the blue just now. I recall accusing qwertyuiop1998 of being a sock a while back but never made a connection with an actual KMC poster until now.

Originally posted by MrMind
odg having another meltdown?

Clearly, I got smuggled by ODG to another country.

Originally posted by ODG
I mean, if I were being completely truthful. You're stupider than abhilegend was back when I put him on ignore in 2012. But that may just be a result of a gradual descent into dumba$$ery. Some people don't grow with age. They just get dumber.

I am legitimately unnerved.

Old Man Whirly! making a random sock to flame himself to accuse me and others of organized conspiracies against him was one thing. Because it was just so blatantly obvious.

This... this is altogether something far more insidious and sinister. Not like evil. It's the obsession that would have to underlie it all. I mean. I could be wrong. It's just that I legitimately never expected anybody to ever be more obsessively stupid than quanchi112 or abhilegend over simple comics.

And I wholly get that this seems to be excessively nasty. But for real, mang. The notion struck my mind out of the blue just now. I recall accusing qwertyuiop1998 of being a sock a while back but never made a connection with an actual KMC poster until now.


TBF, it just seems to be showing you have some delusional disorder

There also are some words in my language strike to me as a good description for you

*wink to Mrmind*

So we all agree Darkseid wins??

Originally posted by ODG
I mean, if I were being completely truthful. You're stupider than abhilegend was back when I put him on ignore in 2012. It's just that I legitimately never expected anybody to ever be more obsessively stupid than quanchi112 or abhilegend over simple comics.

LMAO, still running rent free in this retard's head after literally more than a decade.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
TBF, it just seems to be showing you have some delusional disorder

There also are some words in my language strike to me as a good description for you

Yea, that's it! It was you actually referring to me as "OneDumbG0" like last year, a username I hadn't used since 2012 -- coincidentally the same year I put abhilegend on ignore????

Even though you only ever joined KMC in 2018????? I was like... wtf? But I dunno, our ensuing discussions and threads went so badly for you that I just never gave that initial impression another thought.

Like, literally, until just now. Like on scout's honor.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
So we all agree Darkseid wins??

Of course.

Originally posted by ODG
Yea, that's it! It was you actually referring to me as "OneDumbG0" like last year, a username I hadn't used since 2012 -- coincidentally the same year I put abhilegend on ignore????

Even though you only ever joined KMC in 2018????? I was like... wtf? But I dunno, our ensuing discussions and threads went so badly for you that I just never gave that initial impression another thought.

Like, literally, until just now. Like on scout's honor.


Is he implying qwerty is my sock?

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