Originally posted by Astner
No, he saw "thing[b]s that had dominion," one of which had it's eye on the next incarnation of the cosmos. [/B]
Quote the part where Loki said he "Saw things (emphasis mine) that had Dominion". I will wait.
Do not add and misinterpret evidence to fit your hypothesis. That's wrong.
I caught a glimpse of something out there that would make your housecat look like a kitten.
You saw something, DS?
Yeah, there are tigers out there in the world.
I caught a glimpse of one that had its eye on my cat food.
Your interpretation: DS saw multiple tigers. Or all the tigers in the world, I don't know which interpretation you are going with, both are wrong but one is obviously more fantastically silly.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Quote the part where he said he "Saw things that had Dominion". I will wait.
It's clear from the plurality of "things" that the Dominion was not one entity, and it's also made clear by Hickman's elaboration on what a Dominion is.
Originally posted by Astner
- Powers of X #5
Originally posted by Astner
Why did you displace my quotation mark?
Exactly. Loki didn't say he saw things that had Dominion. His sentence just started with the fact that there are things that have Dominion.
Astner: DS, you said you saw something? (Note the singular)
DS: Yeah. There are tigers out there in the world.
Your interpretation: DS saw.....multiple tigers. All the tigers. Whichever, lol.
I displaced it because Loki never said he saw multiple Dominions. He only saw one.
Which is my point all this while.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Exactly. Loki didn't say he saw things that had Dominion. His sentence just started with the fact that there are things that have Dominion.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I displaced it because Loki never said he saw multiple Dominions. He only saw one.
Originally posted by Astner
And what are these things if not Titans (or representatives thereof)?
I never said they weren't?
To clarify (as you wanted me to before you edited), Loki saw a Dominion, AKA a collective group of 10+ Titans.
A group, or the group that Loki saw, of 10+ Titans made the BW look like an angry jelly baby.
A group of 10+ Titans, despite having enough power to categorically be called god, are still scared of Big G or Phoenix.
So BW <<<<<<10+Titans <= Big G/Phoenix (I would personally say less than Big G /Phoenix, as they are scared of them, but I could go with equals to and chalk it up to low self-esteem.
And we also saw that Hope+Legion together were oneshotting the Phoenix.
The ORIGINAL comment I was replying to, was ODG saying to h1 that he hoped h1 wasn't dragging the BW down to the level of an average Galactus. I found that funny, as....something that makes the BW look insignificant, is actually scared of Galactus.
You then jumped in with....I have no idea what it is you think you are arguing, tbh. I agree that Dominions are a collective of Titans. I never said they weren't....
Originally posted by AstnerThis all seems so circular.
And what are these things if not Titans (or representatives thereof)?
Loki says he caught a glimpse of something that made Black Winter look like an angry jelly baby. It's a statement made about a thing, in the singular sense, whether or not used as a collective noun.
In your interpretation, what was that thing?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So BW <<<<<<10+Titans
Originally posted by Smurph
This all seems so circular.Loki says he caught a glimpse of something that made Black Winter look like an angry jelly baby. It's a statement made about a thing, in the singular sense, whether or not used as a collective noun.
In your interpretation, what was that thing?
But at the same time I don't think Loki was referring to power levels, but to threat levels. The Black Winter was devouring universes, the Phalanx Dominion is looking to assimilate the multiverse.
Originally posted by Astner
But according to you he saw one. While you could argue that a Titan can be a united being, a Dominion is explicitly a collective of separate beings.The technology and representative of a Titan (who's part of the Phalanx Dominion) would be my best guess.
But at the same time I don't think Loki was referring to power levels, but to threat levels. The Black Winter was devouring universes, the Phalanx Dominion is looking to assimilate the multiverse.
Like seeing a school of fish. A herd of elephants. A pride of lions. A single group.
As Smurph said, it was a statement used in the singular sense.
And again, does not detract from my point, which is that a Dominion, which is scared of Galactus, makes the BW look insignificant. I still don't know what your argument is.....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well am going off the text which says he saw one.Like seeing a school of fish. A herd of elephants. A pride of lions. A single group.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And again, does not detract from my point, which is that a Dominion, which is scared of Galactus, makes the BW look insignificant. I still don't know what your argument is.....
Accepting your position would require to ignore what was established in the Black Winter arc.
Originally posted by Astner
A pride of lions with "an eye," huh?Just because the threat of the Black Winter is insignificant in comparison to that of the Phalanx Dominion, doesn't mean that the Black Winter couldn't be a threat to them.
Accepting your position would require to ignore what was established in the Black Winter arc.
Which makes it even....more absurd really.
Assuming a Dominion is 10 Titans (can be more but 10 is easy to use), then 10% of something that is scared of Galactus, makes the BW look insignificant. Which is bolstering my point. All of which is supported by comics, unless you want to ignore it?
And I am using Galactus as the reference point here. As the original comments I replied to was linking BW to Galactus.
Originally posted by AstnerWell I have no stake in the discussion but that strikes me as the more relevant point.
The technology and representative of a Titan (who's part of the Phalanx Dominion) would be my best guess.But at the same time I don't think Loki was referring to power levels, but to threat levels. The Black Winter was devouring universes, the Phalanx Dominion is looking to assimilate the multiverse.
If you think Loki's statement meant that a single Titan made Black Winter look like an angry jelly baby, then obviously that applies to a Dominion and the whole question of singular/collective noun is moot.
Originally posted by AstnerThat said, because I can't help it - as arguments go, this seems pretty thin.
A pride of lions with "an eye," huh?
A pride of lions can have its eye on bringing down a herd of gazelle. A battalion of soldiers could have its eye on an unprotected enemy base. A corporation (other than in a strictly legal sense) is just a group of people but it still has a head and a body. Etc.
The whole concept of a phalanx is a group of soldiers working in single formation.
Originally posted by AstnerAlso, I just asked you what the Something was that made Black Winter look like an angry jelly baby. You said it was a Titan. Here you say it was a Dominion.
Just because the threat of the Black Winter is insignificant in comparison to that of the Phalanx Dominion
Loki's statement was about "something", using the word in the singular sense. The statement can't be simultaneously referring to the technology of a singular Titan and the existential threat posed by the Phalanx Dominion.
So what was the something that made Black Winter look like an angry jelly baby?
Originally posted by AstnerI can get behind this point, at least.
But at the same time I don't think Loki was referring to power levels, but to threat levels.
The threat posed by the collective Dominion was significant enough that even the Beyonders felt the need to take direct action against them, which is why they initiated the multiversal reboot and whatnot.
Flip side, individual members of the Dominion really don't seem to warrant the "God-wank" they've received -- when several of them were evidently killed by the Phoenix Blade, and when they can be crippled/destroyed by the weaponized energy of a supernova.
I feel like Marvel kind of shot themselves in the foot concerning their power-levels. /shrug
^ Maybe the seeming contradiction can be explained that Enigma isn't a normal Dominion but a Dominion made up of four separately sourced Dominions. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts type deal. It's not one Saiyan. It's not even two Saiyans fused. It's four Saiyans fused. It's essentially a quadruple fusion.
So Enigma could be that powerful to make the Black Winter seem trivial.
Yet, at the same time, a normal Dominion would fear Galactus and the Phoenix because normal Dominions are categorically weaker than they are.
That way Hickman's rigid definition and Loki's statement can square with each other.
But now, it seems like Dominions fear Galactus and the Phoenix not because they're categorically less powerful but because they are somehow weak to it. Because even Enigma fears the Phoenix.
Either way, I'm not going to disagree that there is a real level of disconnect from what Enigma was hinted at from the lip-service, and what it's shown so far to actually do.
