Invisible Woman vs Kuurth

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Ah, ok, you didn't see them then.

Cormorant:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Against the Cancerverse Sentry and the entirety of the Cancerverse, with a planetary shield as she is talking to Reed:

And finally, the scans which made me wonder.

Against Cormorant, who has the power to split the Earth in two:

Doom is unable to defend against it:

"Incalculable might":

They have to use Franklin against him:

Who burns himself out:

Sidenote: Cormorant defies all known laws of physics:

Franklin burns all of his power out, and it does nothing. Susan manages to block his blows, when in full Mom mode:

Note that he's punching. Not using energy attacks against her shields.

Note too, that the same writer who was writing Cormorant later has him defeating Squirrel Girl, and even mentions her not being 'Undefeatable'. I mention this because you always talk about how different writers have different opinions on power levels.

I mentioned the planet-sized shield with the Sentry, because my point is that it is surely, logically, easier to have a focussed 'Juggernaut-sized' forcefield, than a planetary-sized shield, no?

Moreover, fodder weren't striking the shield at different places. They were focussed on one area.

I am saying, we assume high end feats for ALL.

Thor, unamped, has his strikes 'shattering worlds around him', and we see him fighting Gorr and the shockwaves damaging nearby moons:
https://imgur.com/a/tW9eybD

He now has the Allfather power. 'Classic Odin' did this with Set:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11124/111240836/5424780-9887690832-52905.jpg

'Long-dead galaxies, shattered' blah blah blah.

So, we have an unamped Thor (who could shatter moons/worlds), now amped with the Allfather power, which enabled Odin to shatter galaxies.

Then we make him bloodlusted. Then he meets Sue (with help):
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11139/111391579/8235344-rco012_1628085920.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ah, ok, you didn't see them then.

Cormorant:

Note that he's punching. Not using energy attacks against her shields.

Note too, that the same writer who was writing Cormorant later has him defeating Squirrel Girl, and even mentions her not being 'Undefeatable'. I mention this because you always talk about how different writers have different opinions on power levels.

Cormorant doesn't have any strength feats. How hard can he punch? No doubt he is super strong physically, but by how much? His durability to withstand blasts and other attacks doesn't equate to punching force. Claims of ripping a planet in two or snuffing out stars are not proof of his physical punching power. Characters like Molecule Man can perform such feats, but how hard can they punch with sheer physical force? Cormorant needs quantifiable punching feats or feats of punching well-known characters.

I mentioned the planet-sized shield with the Sentry, because my point is that it is surely, logically, easier to have a focussed 'Juggernaut-sized' forcefield, than a planetary-sized shield, no?

Moreover, fodder weren't striking the shield at different places. They were focussed on one area.

I thought she made the entire planet invisible and only she shielded a small, city-sized area.

Assuming that I'm wrong, the argument has several issues anyway:

1. The ability to generate constructs of a certain size doesn't necessarily mean they become stronger when made smaller. For instance, a character might create glass-like constructs of various sizes, from baseball-sized to planet-sized, but this doesn't mean the smaller constructs are tougher. This requires explicit proof, such as narration or a character stating that smaller constructs are inherently stronger.

2. The scan never showed all the fodder striking a particular area simultaneously. It only shows Sentry striking the shield while the fodder are gathered in the sky around it. It is highly improbable for two or more beings to strike anything at the exact same time unless it is planned and timed in advance. While it can happen by coincidence, it must be shown to occur to challenge the status quo.

I am saying, we assume high end feats for ALL.

Thor, unamped, has his strikes 'shattering worlds around him', and we see him fighting Gorr and the shockwaves damaging nearby moons:
https://imgur.com/a/tW9eybD

He now has the Allfather power. 'Classic Odin' did this with Set:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11124/111240836/5424780-9887690832-52905.jpg

'Long-dead galaxies, shattered' blah blah blah.

So, we have an unamped Thor (who could shatter moons/worlds), now amped with the Allfather power, which enabled Odin to shatter galaxies.

Then we make him bloodlusted. Then he meets Sue (with help):
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11139/111391579/8235344-rco012_1628085920.jpg

Since fictional characters exhibit a range of abilities from their lowest to highest showings, one should assume a character is operating at their average level when applying ABC logic. For example, if Gladiator punches someone with all his might, we shouldn't assume he used planet-shattering force. Instead, we should assume he used his average or most generally portrayed level of force.

This differs when arguing for a character's highest feats in a forum fight. High feats can be used to represent the primary characters (those participating in the forum fight), but these high feats cannot be applied to a secondary character (one not participating in the forum fight) for ABC logic concerning the primary character.