Namor (MCU) vs Homelander (The Boys)

Originally posted by tkitna
So you think Thor is more durable than Hulk? You also think Soldier Boy and Butcher on the juice is more durable than Hulk? Lol. You have to realize how silly you sound.

Even though he has dodged and defended against swiping beams?

Being more durable against punches does not make you more resistant against heat.

In fiction you can have a character with human level strength and durability (against blunt force) able to resist great amount of high temperatures.

In reality, you have material that can resist great temperatures but are not bullet or stab proof.

So Hulk doesn't get someone's, whose weaker, feats.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor is more heat resistant than Hulk because of he has the feats.
SB and Butcher are more heat resistant than Hulk because they have the feats.

Being more durable against punches does not make you more resistant against heat.

In fiction you can have a character with human level strength and durability (against blunt force) able to resist great amount of high temperatures.

In reality, you have material that can resist great temperatures but are not bullet or stab proof.

So Hulk doesn't get someone's, whose weaker, feats.

Here's something for you to think about. Hulk was casually standing on Surtur while punching him. Surtur is hot enough that his heat can disrupt the Earths environment from light years away. Is that heat feat good enough for you?

^^^Thats a good feat.

Originally posted by Robtard
-Most passenger liners are constructed of aluminum, due to its high strength and relative low weight

-Aluminum melts at 660 Celsius

Now his HV would be higher than that at how quickly/effortlessly it cut, but your "20,000" figure is made up, you pulled it from your ass.

Actually, the required temperature exceeds 20,000 degrees Celsius. Initially, I didn't do any detailed calculations because my experience in physics suggested it was clearly more than 20,000 degrees Celsius. However, I later did the calculations and confirmed it with ChatGPT.

The plane (British Aerospace 125) is about 17 feet in height, giving a circumference of the fuselage of about 53 feet. The width of the cut seems to be around 7-8 inches, and the thickness of the fuselage skin is about 0.015 inches. This results in a total volume of 66.78 cubic inches, which converts to about 2.95 kg of aluminum. If you're not inclined to do the conversion yourself, you can use ChatGPT.

Note:
1. The HV cut is diagonal at about a 60-degree angle from the horizontal, giving a length of approximately 19-20 feet instead of 17 feet.
2. Additionally, there are stringers and formers that add to the skin of the airplane.
3. The calculation does not account for phase change, which requires additional heat.

Therefore, the 2.95 kg is a gross underestimate.

Now, go to chat.openai.com and type:
"How long would it take to heat 2.95 kg of aluminum to 660 degrees Celsius under 20,000 degrees Celsius heat?"

You should see all the steps and the final result, which is 1.33 seconds. In the clip, it takes about 0.7 seconds to achieve this, indicating that more heat is required to accomplish it in 0.7 seconds instead of 1.33 seconds.

Others online have also done some calculations.

Here’s one person’s calculation of the power needed:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/power-of-homelanders-heat-vision-2268119/

Originally posted by tkitna
Here's something for you to think about. Hulk was casually standing on Surtur while punching him. Surtur is hot enough that his heat can disrupt the Earths environment from light years away. Is that heat feat good enough for you?

Even if it did, the feat belongs to the Hulk, not Namor. So you're back to square one.

You have experience in physics? -neutral face-

Originally posted by riv6672
You have experience in physics? -neutral face-

Yes. Was an engineering major before I changed it to mathematics (have a masters).
I took Physics 1, 2, and 3, classical mechanics, thermo, etc.
I teach and tutor math.
I tutor Physics 1 and general chemistry.

Originally posted by tkitna
YouTube video

There's more, but this will give you a rough idea.

I wish this website had a notification setting thank you!

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes. Was an engineering major before I changed it to mathematics (have a masters).
I took Physics 1, 2, and 3, classical mechanics, thermo, etc.
I teach and tutor math.
I tutor Physics 1 and general chemistry.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
I wish this website had a notification setting thank you!

We rely on onscreen feats. In the movie, Surtur's heat didn't affect anything.

Even if it did, the feat belongs to the Hulk, not Namor. So you're back to square one.

It affected Thor at the beginning of the movie.

Fair

This still stands:

Originally posted by Robtard
-Most passenger liners are constructed of aluminum, due to its high strength and relative low weight

-Aluminum melts at 660 Celsius

Now his HV would be higher than that at how quickly/effortlessly it cut, but your "20,000" figure is made up, you pulled it from your ass.

Originally posted by Robtard
This still stands:

It's a problem in heat transfer and Newton's law of cooling.
20000 degree Celsius is required to make that amount of aluminum reach 660 degrees in 1.3 seconds.

It takes a hotter temperature than 20 000 degrees to make that amount of aluminum reach 660 degrees in 0.7 seconds (shown onscreen).

And it takes a hotter temperature to make the phase change from solid to liquid (enthalpy of fusion).

Do you need to see the steps of the Calculation?

^^^Make sure you copy/paste all the steps from ChatGPT.

Can ChatGPT draw pictures? Because it would draw a picture of a desperate guy shoving his fist into and pulling shits out from his own ass.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Make sure you copy/paste all the steps from ChatGPT.

Originally posted by Robtard
Can ChatGPT draw pictures? Because it would draw a picture of a desperate guy shoving his fist into and pulling shits out from his own ass.

Anyway, do you accept that the temperature has to be above 20 000 degrees Celsius? Or do you need to see it worked out?

^^^Cant speak for Robtard, but I for one am waiting for the ChatGPT results.

Originally posted by Robtard
but your "20,000" figure is made up, you pulled it from your ass.

I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.

Maybe not a completely one-sided matchup, but I'm giving the win to Namor.

Homelander can slice through a jet with his heat vision, but Namor can cut through solid vibranium with his spear.

Homelander can't 'push-off' thin air, as he states when he kills everyone on board the jet with Queen Maeve, but Namor literally looks like a figure skater in the sky when he is dogfighting with the Wakandan air force.

Queen Maeve stabbed Homelander with a metal straw in his ear, but Namor no-sold everything thrown at him in BP2 until he got the air fryer treatment from Shuri, and he still impaled her with his spear through her Black Panther outfit.

On the other hand, Homelander has a vastly superior ranged option with heat vision, plus his movement speed and flight speed (getting Butcher and the baby boy out of the exploding house and his zooming around the city sky looking for Transluscent) are superior, but his fights with Soldier Boy and Butcher don't demonstrate it in combat.

I'll give it to Namor for now, but could be talked over.

Originally posted by John Murdoch

Homelander can't 'push-off' thin air, as he states when he kills everyone on board the jet with Queen Maeve, but Namor literally looks like a figure skater in the sky when he is dogfighting with the Wakandan air force.

A lot of great points especially this ^

Originally posted by John Murdoch
Maybe not a completely one-sided matchup, but I'm giving the win to Namor.

Homelander can slice through a jet with his heat vision, but Namor can cut through solid vibranium with his spear.

Homelander can't 'push-off' thin air, as he states when he kills everyone on board the jet with Queen Maeve, but Namor literally looks like a figure skater in the sky when he is dogfighting with the Wakandan air force.

Queen Maeve stabbed Homelander with a metal straw in his ear, but Namor no-sold everything thrown at him in BP2 until he got the air fryer treatment from Shuri, and he still impaled her with his spear through her Black Panther outfit.

On the other hand, Homelander has a vastly superior ranged option with heat vision, plus his movement speed and flight speed (getting Butcher and the baby boy out of the exploding house and his zooming around the city sky looking for Transluscent) are superior, but his fights with Soldier Boy and Butcher don't demonstrate it in combat.

I'll give it to Namor for now, but could be talked over.