Originally posted by Darth Thor
A lot of great points especially this ^
Much appreciated Thor.
Originally posted by h1a8
The HV will one-shot Namor
I could be talked over to the other side, but I just don't buy the 'heat vision trumps all of Namor's efforts' argument. Yes, it is the best weapon, along with his speed, that Homelander has, but combat showings have Namor as way, way superior. All it takes is Namor dancing around HL in mid-air and getting some hits and slices in, and Homelander will go down due to mental and eventually physical fatigue.
Originally posted by John Murdoch
Much appreciated Thor.I could be talked over to the other side, but I just don't buy the 'heat vision trumps all of Namor's efforts' argument. Yes, it is the best weapon, along with his speed, that Homelander has, but combat showings have Namor as way, way superior. All it takes is Namor dancing around HL in mid-air and getting some hits and slices in, and Homelander will go down due to mental and eventually physical fatigue.
Namor has no feats that warrant him not being one shot by the HV.
The HV melted sliced a plane in half instantly.
It was thousands of degrees Celsius.
We use feats to prove special attributes, not baseless speculation or assumptions.
Namor does not dance around single combatants. He fights them head up.
Originally posted by h1a8
Namor has no feats that warrant him not being one shot by the HV.The HV melted sliced a plane in half instantly.
It was thousands of degrees Celsius.We use feats to prove special attributes, not baseless speculation or assumptions.
So by the same logic would you say Homelander cuts through MCU Hulk with his HV ?
Originally posted by h1a8
Namor does not dance around single combatants. He fights them head up.
Thats a strange assumption. Cant be that anal with your analysis.
He danced around the firepower of Wakandan ships, no reason to assume he wouldnt do the same against extremely dangerous HV blasts coming from an incredibly fast opponent with flight.
Originally posted by tkitna
Prove it
Originally posted by h1a8
Namor has no feats that warrant him not being one shot by the HV.The HV melted sliced a plane in half instantly.
It was thousands of degrees Celsius.We use feats to prove special attributes, not baseless speculation or assumptions.
Namor does not dance around single combatants. He fights them head up.
You can dance around and double talk the point to death, but you can’t provide what you insist, nay demand, everyone else provide for you.
Tis funny.
Originally posted by h1a8
Actually, the required temperature exceeds 20,000 degrees Celsius. Initially, I didn't do any detailed calculations because my experience in physics suggested it was clearly more than 20,000 degrees Celsius. However, I later did the calculations and confirmed it with ChatGPT.The plane (British Aerospace 125) is about 17 feet in height, giving a circumference of the fuselage of about 53 feet. The width of the cut seems to be around 7-8 inches, and the thickness of the fuselage skin is about 0.015 inches. This results in a total volume of 66.78 cubic inches, which converts to about 2.95 kg of aluminum. If you're not inclined to do the conversion yourself, you can use ChatGPT.
Note:
1. The HV cut is diagonal at about a 60-degree angle from the horizontal, giving a length of approximately 19-20 feet instead of 17 feet.
2. Additionally, there are stringers and formers that add to the skin of the airplane.
3. The calculation does not account for phase change, which requires additional heat.Therefore, the 2.95 kg is a gross underestimate.
Now, go to chat.openai.com and type:
"How long would it take to heat 2.95 kg of aluminum to 660 degrees Celsius under 20,000 degrees Celsius heat?"You should see all the steps and the final result, which is 1.33 seconds. In the clip, it takes about 0.7 seconds to achieve this, indicating that more heat is required to accomplish it in 0.7 seconds instead of 1.33 seconds.
Others online have also done some calculations.
Here’s one person’s calculation of the power needed:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/power-of-homelanders-heat-vision-2268119/
We rely on onscreen feats. In the movie, Surtur's heat didn't affect anything.
Even if it did, the feat belongs to the Hulk, not Namor. So you're back to square one.
This number is grossly inflated, imo. It assumes a clean cut, and assumes it cut all the way through, and it assumes he didn't just set things ablaze rather than sliced the plane.
The actual feat in question:
[img]https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11117/111179644/8553078-6945789451-giphy.gif/img]
It's like having people shoot a car with a tiny bullet, and the entire car explodes. Then proclaiming that the bullet imparts gigawatts of energy or w/ever.
Originally posted by h1a8
Actually, the required temperature exceeds 20,000 degrees Celsius. Initially, I didn't do any detailed calculations because my experience in physics suggested it was clearly more than 20,000 degrees Celsius. However, I later did the calculations and confirmed it with ChatGPT.The plane (British Aerospace 125) is about 17 feet in height, giving a circumference of the fuselage of about 53 feet. The width of the cut seems to be around 7-8 inches, and the thickness of the fuselage skin is about 0.015 inches. This results in a total volume of 66.78 cubic inches, which converts to about 2.95 kg of aluminum. If you're not inclined to do the conversion yourself, you can use ChatGPT.
Note:
1. The HV cut is diagonal at about a 60-degree angle from the horizontal, giving a length of approximately 19-20 feet instead of 17 feet.
2. Additionally, there are stringers and formers that add to the skin of the airplane.
3. The calculation does not account for phase change, which requires additional heat.Therefore, the 2.95 kg is a gross underestimate.
Now, go to chat.openai.com and type:
"How long would it take to heat 2.95 kg of aluminum to 660 degrees Celsius under 20,000 degrees Celsius heat?"You should see all the steps and the final result, which is 1.33 seconds. In the clip, it takes about 0.7 seconds to achieve this, indicating that more heat is required to accomplish it in 0.7 seconds instead of 1.33 seconds.
Others online have also done some calculations.
Here’s one person’s calculation of the power needed:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/power-of-homelanders-heat-vision-2268119/
We rely on onscreen feats. In the movie, Surtur's heat didn't affect anything.
Even if it did, the feat belongs to the Hulk, not Namor. So you're back to square one.
This number is grossly inflated, imo. It assumes a clean cut, and assumes it cut all the way through, and it assumes he didn't just set things ablaze rather than sliced the plane.
The actual feat in question:
It's like having people shoot a car with a tiny bullet, and the entire car explodes. Then proclaiming that the bullet imparts gigawatts of energy or w/ever.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This number is grossly inflated, imo. It assumes a clean cut, and assumes it cut all the way through, and it assumes he didn't just set things ablaze rather than sliced the plane.The actual feat in question:
It's like having people shoot a car with a tiny bullet, and the entire car explodes. Then proclaiming that the bullet imparts gigawatts of energy or w/ever.
He sliced the fuselage with heat (not a projectile) as shown. You see the path of the HV along with the slice of the plane. He set the plane ablaze in the process (inner portion has fabric for seats, etc)
The aluminum melted in a small fraction of a second (the whole feat took roughly 0.7 seconds). So that amount of aluminum in that amount of time. A differential equation problem to determine the temperature.
The exact temperature is actually irrelevant as anything beyond 1000 degrees will do some serious damage to Namor, not too mention weaken him immensely.
Originally posted by RobtardNice joke.
Um, Namor survived the exploding Wankandan ship whose explosions put out an excess of 30,000 C. Then the blast from the blasting engine easily exceeded 40,000 C. Because Wakandan tech and reasons.
Originally posted by h1a8
He sliced the fuselage with heat (not a projectile) as shown. You see the path of the HV along with the slice of the plane. He set the plane ablaze in the process (inner portion has fabric for seats, etc)The aluminum melted in a small fraction of a second (the whole feat took roughly 0.7 seconds). So that amount of aluminum in that amount of time. A differential equation problem to determine the temperature.
The exact temperature is actually irrelevant as anything beyond 1000 degrees will do some serious damage to Namor, not too mention weaken him immensely.
It didn't cut all the way through, as you don't see the HV exiting on the other side of the plane. So NOT that amount of aluminium, which is my point. Hence, grossly inflated.
It also assumes the (stressed) plane didn't tear itself apart in midair once the initial cut occurred, helping the cut propagate through the fuselage. So Homelander isn't actually melting the skin further along the plane, it just looks that way because the internals are all ablaze (but we have no idea of the HV is actually melting the aluminium).
It's grossly inflated to assume 20,000 degree Celsius off that scene. Which is my point.