Originally posted by KingD19you could interpret that to mean that it was difficult for homelander to reduce his hv temp to only 500 degrees.
Homelander zaps a gun in "The Boys: Diabolical" and says it's hard to hold it at 500° Fahrenheit, which is 260° Celsius. Also people like Butcher, Maeve, Soldier Boy and Stormfront have tanked his lasers.
because it's hard for me to imagine his maxed out hv being below the temperature of a lit cigarette, among other things.
Originally posted by h1a8
Since Namor wasn't shown to resist anything extremely hot then he doesn't get HV resistance in a forum fight.
Therefore he gets one shot here.
Except he has. He survives the explosion of the Royal Talon at the end despite already being severely dehydrated and weakened.
At most direct shots from Homelanders HV will slightly weaken him. But he can just dip back in the water to recharge and he is hard to hit in the first place between his speed/maneuverability in the air and his spear to absorb the shots.
Originally posted by Darth ThorDidn't look like a very hot explosion. It's not like a gasoline explosion or a nuclear bomb explosion. Could be a blunt force feat with very little heat experienced.
Except he has. He survives the explosion of the Royal Talon at the end despite already being severely dehydrated and weakened.At most direct shots from Homelanders HV will slightly weaken him. But he can just dip back in the water to recharge and he is hard to hit in the first place between his speed/maneuverability in the air and his spear to absorb the shots.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It was the internals being on fire, I already addressed this. Same way an itty bitty bullet makes an entire car explode, flames being on the other side of the plane just points to the internals being on fire and burning the plane.
The plane was sealed. Nothing can escape the plane unless there is an open path. The fact that fire was outside the plane means there was an open path , hence that side was melted.
Bullets can't explode cars. Even if they could, HV isn't a bullet.
Originally posted by h1a8
The plane was sealed. Nothing can escape the plane unless there is an open path. The fact that fire was outside the plane means there was an open path , hence that side was melted.Bullets can't explode cars. Even if they could, HV isn't a bullet.
Then you need to prove it was from the HV and not from the internals.
Bullets explode cars all the time in fiction. Here's the trope:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EveryCarIsAPinto
And
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItsGoingDown
The assertion here is not that HV is a bullet, lol. Or like a bullet. The assertion is that the plane explodes in a fiery fireball due to well established tropes. Not my fault you can't understand basic fiction.
Originally posted by Robtard
It was obviously a "cold fire" explosion, DT
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Silly response.It was an explosion where the fire literally covers both Shuri and Namor.
Fire? What the hell are you talking about? I didn't see any fire in the explosion.
Wait you are talking about the engine thrust fire when they were on the island. That's not an explosion. Shuri just turned on the thrusters.
Namor got roasted in the back and was out of the fight.
How is that a good feat?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then you need to prove it was from the HV and not from the internals.Bullets explode cars all the time in fiction. Here's the trope:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EveryCarIsAPintoAnd
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItsGoingDown
The assertion here is not that HV is a bullet, lol. Or like a bullet. The assertion is that the plane explodes in a fiery fireball due to well established tropes. Not my fault you can't understand basic fiction.
The reason why a projectile has exploded a car in fiction is because some writers thought that penetrating the fuel tank or fuel line with a hot object (the bullet) will ignite all the gasoline in the car and create an explosion.
What internals?
The opening was created at the same time the beam was sweeping upward.That means the HV was DIRECTLY responsible.
Not only is HV not a bullet but if we were arguing for a bullet then I would still argue against you. Also the boys goes against traditional fiction in favor of more realistic physics (not that this matters one bit).
You are basically arguing just for the fun of debate.
We all know clearly, as portrayed, the HV beam slicing the plane in half.
Originally posted by h1a8
The reason why a projectile has exploded a car in fiction is because some writers thought that penetrating the fuel tank or fuel line with a hot object (the bullet) will ignite all the gasoline in the car and create an explosion.What internals?
The opening was created at the same time the beam was sweeping upward.That means the HV was DIRECTLY responsible.Not only is HV not a bullet but if we were arguing for a bullet then I would still argue against you. Also the boys goes against traditional fiction in favor of more realistic physics (not that this matters one bit).
You are basically arguing just for the fun of debate.
We all know clearly, as portrayed, the HV beam slicing the plane in half.
Responsible for a chain reaction that led to the plane breaking up? Sure.
Internals like fuel lines, furnishings, everything, making the plane's fuselage rupture. IRL, more realistic physics leads to airplane fuselages breaking apart under stress.
Moreover, in the scene you can clearly see the HV cutting through the windows as well - i.e. not aluminium. So back to the original point, the calculation is grossly inflated as not that amount of aluminium was melted.
Originally posted by h1a8Wait you are talking about the engine thrust fire when they were on the island. That's not an explosion. Shuri just turned on the thrusters.
Okay you're right here. I thought she exploded the ship when she pressed the button, but it's as you say engine thrust fire.
Your only issue now is it was still fire.
Originally posted by h1a8
Namor got roasted in the back and was out of the fight.How is that a good feat?
Yes he got roasted. After already being severely weakened. And it still didn't kill him. Didn't even KO him right? I mean he did surrender after that.
So how is this not a heat resistance feat? Shuri gets the end of the spray of fire and has to cover her face:
It's at 3:19. He's completely covered in it:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85What chain reaction? Prove your physics.
Responsible for a chain reaction that led to the plane breaking up? Sure.Internals like fuel lines, furnishings, everything, making the plane's fuselage rupture. IRL, more realistic physics leads to airplane fuselages breaking apart under stress.
Moreover, in the scene you can clearly see the HV cutting through the windows as well - i.e. not aluminium. So back to the original point, the calculation is grossly inflated as not that amount of aluminium was melted.
The side opened up simultaneously as the beam swept upward, not afterward. A British Aerospace 125's fuselage contains no fuel; the fuel is stored in the wings, which supply the engines located there. Your argument is reaching.
It doesn't matter if a window was hit. The beam's upward motion speed remained constant throughout. The beam moved through the aluminum parts of the plane at the same speed as it did through the windows. If the windows were replaced with aluminum, the beam would still move upward at the same rate.
If that logic is unclear, apply the same calculation with less aluminum (subtracting the window part) and less time (because the beam spends less time going through the window) to get a similar result.
Now, please continue making things up and ignoring what was clearly shown. I look forward to seeing what your creativity produces next. Keep it coming.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Okay you're right here. I thought she exploded the ship when she pressed the button, but it's as you say engine thrust fire.Your only issue now is it was still fire.
Yes he got roasted. After already being severely weakened. And it still didn't kill him. Didn't even KO him right? I mean he did surrender after that.
So how is this not a heat resistance feat? Shuri gets the end of the spray of fire and has to cover her face:
It's at 3:19. He's completely covered in it:
Namor did better than a real human. So yes he has a heat resistance feat.
But that heat is no where near the amount that can melt aluminum near instantly.
Plus Homelander has a good deal of superspeed.
Able to save Butcher from C4 explosion before it makes contact with him, etc.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Again: I do not need to prove all of this, the onus is on you to prove beyond reasonable doubt that that volume of aluminium was melted in that time.
You basically ignored what I said. I just proved that I didn't.
Reread the part about the the beam slicing through all materials with equal speed.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Again: I do not need to prove all of this, the onus is on you to prove beyond reasonable doubt that that volume of aluminium was melted in that time.
You basically ignored what I said. I just proved that I didn't. Reread the part about the beam slicing through all materials (aluminum and window) at equal speed. An all-aluminum makeup would have resulted in the same duration of time.
Imagine a sweeping laser vaporizing a series of 10 lined-up blocks, 8 made of aluminum and 2 made of acrylic glass. The beam sweeps through the aluminum blocks at the same speed as the acrylic blocks.
Therefore, replacing all the blocks with aluminum blocks means the beam would vaporize all 10 blocks in the same amount of time as the previous mixed set of 10.
Originally posted by h1a8
Namor did better than a real human. So yes he has a heat resistance feat.
But that heat is no where near the amount that can melt aluminum near instantly.
You're not factoring that he was severely weakened. His main issue with heat is he gets dehydrated which effects his strength. So if you're arguing an extended blast by Homelander's HV should weaken Namor, that's fair.
But you seem to be arguing that a single shot of HV is all he needs, which I think has been debunked here mainly due to a lack of evidence.
Originally posted by h1a8
Plus Homelander has a good deal of superspeed.
Able to save Butcher from C4 explosion before it makes contact with him, etc.
Now you're moving to different abilities so I'll take that as a concession on the HV being the all and end all factor here.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
You're not factoring that he was severely weakened. His main issue with heat is he gets dehydrated which effects his strength. So if you're arguing an extended blast by Homelander's HV should weaken Namor, that's fair.But you seem to be arguing that a single shot of HV is all he needs, which I think has been debunked here mainly due to a lack of evidence.
Now you're moving to different abilities so I'll take that as a concession on the HV being the all and end all factor here.
**Argument 1:**
If the HV can melt aluminum instantly, it can vaporize any moisture on Namor in a fraction of a second.
**Argument 2:**
You are not understanding the difference in temperature between the HV and the fire that roasted his back.
Being burned and damaged but not killed by a much lower temperature while weakened does not mean he cannot be one-shot by a higher temperature when not weakened.
It's like arguing that since Namor didn't get killed by a lower temperature when weakened, he cannot be one-shot by an infinite temperature when not weakened.
Lastly, a character does not get special attributes without proof. There is no such thing as "lack of evidence" towards someone NOT having a special attribute (requiring proof of a negative). No evidence = no special attribute.
Those are the rules.
I just became aware of Homelander's speed feats. Therefore he can win without the HV.
Originally posted by h1a8
There is no evidence to suggest that being dehydrated reduces his resistance to extreme heat.
Have you not seen the movie? They dehydrated him to make him vulnerable. Otherwise he was pretty Invincible to the Wakandans, who have the most advanced tech/army on Earth.
But for the sake of argument, let's assume it does for now without proof.
Originally posted by h1a8
**Argument 1:**
If the HV can melt aluminum instantly, it can vaporize any moisture on Namor in a fraction of a second.
Don't repeat this when DarkSaint85 has thoroughly debunked your "proof" of this.
Originally posted by h1a8
**Argument 2:**
You are not understanding the difference in temperature between the HV and the fire that roasted his back.
And you're having severe trouble understanding how severely weakened Namor already was at that point.
The main difference is his staff isn't going to block being engulfed in fire, but it will block energy blasts.
Originally posted by h1a8
Lastly, a character does not get special attributes without proof. There is no such thing as "lack of evidence" towards someone NOT having a special attribute (requiring proof of a negative). No evidence = no special attribute.
Those are the rules.
What special attributes? You claimed Namor had zero durability feats against heat. I explained to you how even a severely depleted Namor wasn't killed or even KO'd by being completely engulfed in fire.
Homelander also isn't trapping Namor here, who can dip back into water anytime he likes.
Originally posted by h1a8
I just became aware of Homelander's speed feats. Therefore he can win without the HV.
So you're trying to completely change your argument for why Homelander wins. Sounds like a concession to your original point.