Originally posted by carver9
Also, we don't know how long Konvict and Wonder Woman was fighting. It's obvious scenes happened before Superman woke up since we see Wonder Woman and Konvikt in a full on fight.
It also seems you forgot DS' question
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I won't say it did absolutely nothing to him, though. You obviously see Clark suffering. I mean, Daredevil has been punched by the Hulk before....
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
By this logic, I can also counter you as we don't know if Superman is truly unconscious or just dizzy for a while in both scenesIt also seems you forgot DS' question
So is Hulk weak? As Daredevil also has been punched by Hulk before
I didn't see Dark comment.
I would say a flash ko.
The scenes are different. Both Supermana and Hulk hold back. This version of Superman was obviously trying to kill Clark and even mentioned taking out a city block once done. Hulk and Superman punch Batman and Daredevil obviously isn't trying to kill them but this wasn't Clark. This was a clone that wanted Superman gone, and the fight lasted pages and he still couldn't do it.
Originally posted by carver9
I didn't see Dark comment.I would say a flash ko.
The scenes are different. Both Supermana and Hulk hold back. This version of Superman was obviously trying to kill Clark and even mentioned taking out a city block once done. Hulk and Superman punch Batman and Daredevil obviously isn't trying to kill them but this wasn't Clark. This was a clone that wanted Superman gone, and the fight lasted pages and he still couldn't do it.
Even 10% of Hulk's strength would turn a human into a paste.
What happens when Hulk does not hold back?
Originally posted by carver9
Remember, I'm not initially arguing Superman is weak. My entire argument here is that Superman had some of his powers and the Cyke and Superman showing is completely different. Your scans are unusable.
How are they different?
Edit: how about a bloodlusted WW who is also amped as the God of War? Does that reflect poorly on her if she is unable to take an injured human out, despite trying to kill him?
Originally posted by carver9
I didn't see Dark comment.I would say a flash ko.
The scenes are different. Both Supermana and Hulk hold back. This version of Superman was obviously trying to kill Clark and even mentioned taking out a city block once done. Hulk and Superman punch Batman and Daredevil obviously isn't trying to kill them but this wasn't Clark. This was a clone that wanted Superman gone, and the fight lasted pages and he still couldn't do it.
As for your Clark is being too durable at that scene
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Here is Daredevil, point blank, against Pyro:KOd, but no burns (look at the area around his mouth).
Here is Nightwing being smashed through concrete walls by Donna Troy, no armour, and he's fine, still backflipping:
Here is Nightwing with armour, taking a point blank punch from Osiris (empowered by Black Adam, remember):
https://i.imgur.com/ajaDhG8.jpgI can do this all day.
I mean, here is Blue Beetle when he met Kingdom Come WW:
She grabs him by the throat and throws him at a boulder. He gets up, fine.
Superman does not exist in reality. Dan Jurgens does. I mean, what statements WOULD you accept? Booster said DD was faster than Flash - you never accepted that. Name a 'human' level character in comics, and I will try to find examples of them against 'heralds', or against damage.
I mean, here is frickin' PENGUIN being smashed through bathroom tiles, no blood, no injury:
My point being, 'humans' in comics survive things that no humans IRL can take. Them being damaged at all, in fact, shows extreme power.
Quite why this is all new to you after your entire reading history, is mysterious to me.
I mean, just a couple days ago you pointed out that in comics, the distance one is thrown means nothing to the damage suffered, right?
Also, remember the Infinite Crisis end scene I mentioned. Just checked out, yeah, all three of them are stripped out their powers there. Had not been the Mogo's intervene, they will die in the space as their powers are gone
https://ibb.co/TKWMscy
https://ibb.co/x2XDNbG
Yet, in Infinite Crisis, we saw this powerless Superman, survives an entry from the star to Mogo/the planet, and still keeps fighting
https://ibb.co/SsfYN32
https://ibb.co/zxhVcDs
https://ibb.co/9NYdS5Z
https://ibb.co/yf3w6XH
https://ibb.co/kmtJ4HP
https://ibb.co/1qnQN1d
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Maybe, but again, like XJ pointed out before, you can't confirm it. As the following issue directly contradicts what you said about Lor-Zod koing SupermanAs for your Clark is being too durable at that scene
Note how Batman isn't in those scenes 👆
Speaking of Batman, here he is unable - despite trying his best - to beat Kite Man down....
Hell yeah.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Maybe, but again, like XJ pointed out before, you can't confirm it. As the following issue directly contradicts what you said about Lor-Zod koing SupermanAs for your Clark is being too durable at that scene
The next comic didn't contradict it. He was still on the ground sleep on the first page. He just woke up when Diana and Konvikt was fighting. Maybe it was the shockwaves from their punches that woke him up, who knows.
Originally posted by carver9
The next comic didn't contradict it. He was still on the ground sleep on the first page. He just woke up when Diana and Konvikt was fighting. Maybe it was the shockwaves from their punches that woke him up, who knows.
So we can't confirm it either way. So we can't bring it up in the first place.
Good to know
Originally posted by carver9
Or we can just go by what we see.
Yes, which is Cyclops, unamped, being punched hard enough to fly through multiple buildings and is relatively unharmed.
Here, random humans survive in a black hole, and they're strong enough to hold onto WW with their arms against the black hole's pull:
Something that, if it happened in Marvel to heralds, everyone would be astounded over.
Originally posted by carver9
I already argued with Dark about the Carol scans. 🤷🏿He knows I don't think those scans are relevant or mean anything. He's used them against me before. Superman had his powers in the scans you posted, though.
You disagree with the scans?
Originally posted by carver9
Those scan most def put Scott in the super human range. That's not a bad showing for Carol, that's a beastly showing for Scott.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, which is Cyclops, unamped, being punched hard enough to fly through multiple buildings and is relatively unharmed.Here, random humans survive in a black hole, and they're strong enough to hold onto WW with their arms against the black hole's pull:
Something that, if it happened in Marvel to heralds, everyone would be astounded over.
The Cyclops showing is a one off. You don't even believe he's that durable.
