Originally posted by ODG
^ He's wearing his Legion ring there. What is this referring to?
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998Not sure why you're asking me. I'd honestly expected you to know more about them than I do. But they've always struck me as providing some vague amps like Nth metal. Makes sense since they're derived from an alloy of Nth metal. I've seen them be used for forcefields, user-specific abilities, etc.
Doesn't the only information about the ring for providing protections are the vaccum of space and heat
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998Frankly, that reinforces the Legion ring providing protection since Colossal Boy wasn't in giant-sized form when he got suckerpunched and didn't get his head splattered by a giant-sized Earthman.
I mean, just in the same scene, Earth Man one-shots Colossal Boy(who also has the Legion ring)
https://ibb.co/SwVGcMk
https://ibb.co/jhSnhPL
https://ibb.co/8dK78Px
I don't really recall Superman fighting anybody else other than some security guard goons but it sure seems like it's helping him here earlier in the same storyline:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Legion_Ring01_5s5T5NCXwu12V712osD7h4.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Legion_Ring02.jpg
Granted, any notion that Superman was completely powerless in that scene is a misdirect from the issue at hand in this thread: fighting while powerless. Superman had powers via the Legion ring during that storyline. And how he fights against random security guard goons is comparatively worse than when an irrefutably powerless Scott dismantles prison thugs:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Scott_Summers01.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Scott_Summers02.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Scott_Summers03.jpg
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Originally posted by ODG
I don't really recall Superman fighting anybody else other than some security guard goons but it sure seems like it's helping him here earlier in the same storyline:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Legion_Ring01_5s5T5NCXwu12V712osD7h4.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Legion_Ring02.jpg
Originally posted by ODG
Not sure why you're asking me. I'd honestly expected you to know more about them than I do. But they've always struck me as providing some vague amps like Nth metal.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998Then Earthman punches like a girl? Probably why he didn't splatter a normal-sized Colossal Boy even with a giant-sized suckerpunch. But you can't have it both ways. Giving Superman all credit but Colossal Boy no credit.
Don't these scans prove that the ring didn't really provide any impact protections or something?
As the scans show even when Superman wears the ring, he still gets bled by the two guards' sticksYeah, so like you said, at best you can only say that it *may* provide some vague amp.
But what we can confirm is when Superman fights Earth Man in that scene, the comic never specifically attributes the ring provides any protection from Earth Man's punches.
I mean, just in the same comic arc, in the scans you posted, Superman was hurt by two random guards while wearing the ring
And still besides the point of who's winning a H2H powerless fight here. It's Clark Kent vs Scott Summers in H2H both powerless. Superman has been completely depowered many times. Find a better example that doesn't involve plot device equipment like Legion rings.
And if you can't, then compare how Superman did against security guard goons and how Scott did against prisoner goons.
Originally posted by ODG
Then Earthman punches like a girl? Probably why he didn't splatter a normal-sized Colossal Boy even with a giant-sized suckerpunch. But you can't have it both ways. Giving Superman all credit but Colossal Boy no credit.And still besides the point of who's winning a H2H powerless fight here. It's Clark Kent vs Scott Summers in H2H both powerless. Superman has been completely depowered many times. Find a better example that doesn't involve plot device equipment like Legion rings.
And if you can't, then compare how Superman did against security guard goons and how Scott did against prisoner goons.
As for the other part, it's red-herring/not my point. I don't even give my opinions about who will win this fight even now. The point I'm replying is about the Legion ring
^ They'll set each other straight with inner monologue, I'm sure. 👆
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998You've just completely contradicted any notion that Superman was powerless when fighting Earthman.
Or Superman has dynamic strength
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998Totally not predictable given how fuller context has been provided now. 👆 👆
I don't even give my opinions about who will win this fight even now.
Originally posted by ODG
^ They'll set each other straight with inner monologue, I'm sure. 👆 You've just completely contradicted any notion that Superman was powerless when fighting Earthman. Totally not predictable given how fuller context has been provided now. 👆 👆
As for context. I mean, does it ever occur to you maybe I just know more Superman stuff than Cyclops' so I can provide more Superman related scans/scenes? It also makes me hold my judgments about the winner in this thread
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998So this notion of "dynamic strength" -- which is completely pointless in this H2H thread w/ no powers -- is now being twisted into "dynamic skillz"?
Or Superman's dynamic strength also can work with skills/Superman just can ramp anything he needs to in order to accomplish something(including skills).
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998Your projection is painful. All I'm really seeing is you twisting yourself so much over such simple context that you present as an illogical sh1t-pretzel. "Dynamic skillz"??? Shades of Wolverithmetics, lol.
You can do all the mental gymnastics here.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998And the context I added was
But the things we can confirm are
1)Superman did tank Earth Man's several hits
2)You really can't prove that the Legion ring has somehow factors in that scene(in terms of protection).
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998I'd ask that when you so graciously provide Superman scans/scenes, you offer fuller context and not withhold fuller circumstances.
As for context. I mean, does it ever occur to you maybe I just know more Superman stuff than Cyclops' so I can provide more Superman related scans/scenes? It also makes me hold my judgments about the winner in this thread
But go ahead and keep withholding your judgment though. I'll not keep begging the exact question this thread entails. Not from you anyway. After all, we're forced to struggle with your notions of Superman's "dynamic strength" while depowered??? which somehow leads to "dynamic skillz", lol.
Originally posted by ODG
So this notion of "dynamic strength" -- which is completely pointless in this H2H thread w/ no powers -- is now being twisted into "dynamic skillz"? Your projection is painful. All I'm really seeing is you twisting yourself so much over such simple context that you present as an illogical sh1t-pretzel. "Dynamic skillz"??? Shades of Wolverithmetics, lol. And the context I added was
1) While on-panel wearing a Legion ring... but somehow actually because of his off-panel "dynamic strength" while depowered according to you.
2) Despite pointing out how Colossal Boy wasn't splattered either by a giantsized suckerpunch, [b]or how Superman thoomed those security guard goons into a wall instead of using his "dynamic skillz" or listing all the array of stuff that Legion rings have done. Sure. I'd ask that when you so graciously provide Superman scans/scenes, you offer fuller context and not withhold fuller circumstances.But go ahead and keep withholding your judgment though. I'll not keep begging the exact question this thread entails. Not from you anyway. After all, we're forced to struggle with your notions of Superman's "dynamic strength" while depowered??? which somehow leads to "dynamic skillz", lol. [/B]
It seems you're moving the goalpost, the point is about the Legion ring(as you initially replied to me).
The dynamic strength/skill part is just like I said, it's thin as your " *maybe* Earth Man was just that weak". or "the ring protects Superman in these punches despite no actual proofs". It's a baseless assumption, so I can counter you with baseless assumptions
IOW, I'm still waiting the on panel proofs that prove that the ring protects Superman from Earth Man's punches.
I'm also not really sure it's true that Superman "tanked" those hits.
He took them, but Earth Man was relishing the beat down. He got a punch in, but only so Earth Man could use Ultra Boy's invulnerability against him and make him hurt his fist.
In the next issue Earth Man breaks the ring, tells Superman it's time to splatter on the sidewalk, and drops him.
Was Earth Man powerful? Yes. Was he toying with Superman the whole time? Also yes.
Pretty different from Scott taking a beatdown from Carol while she's enraged by chaos magic and hitting hard enough to send him flying through four houses.
Originally posted by Smurph
I'm also not really sure it's true that Superman "tanked" those hits.He took them, but Earth Man was relishing the beat down. He got a punch in, but only so Earth Man could use Ultra Boy's invulnerability against him and make him hurt his fist.
In the next issue Earth Man breaks the ring, tells Superman it's time to splatter on the sidewalk, and drops him.
Was Earth Man powerful? Yes. Was he toying with Superman the whole time? Also yes.
Pretty different from Scott taking a beatdown from Carol while she's enraged by chaos magic and hitting hard enough to send him flying through four houses.
Again, I just brought up the scene, and the point I'm trying to make is that I don't feel it can confirm the ring factors in that battle in terms of protection
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998Other than protecting him from the vacuum of space and the heat of re-entry and granting him flight, etc. In which case, Earthman punches like a girl.
Yeah, so all this post, doesn't really provide any concrete evidence for the ring actually protecting him in that scene, and one scene is showing the ring seems not providing protection on panel.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998I think I've been very straight-forward. You have, however, continued to prevaricate and contradict yourself.
It seems you're moving the goalpost, the point is about the Legion ring(as you initially replied to me).
You brought up Colossal Boy as an excuse. But gave him no credit for not getting splattered by a giant-sized Earthman suckerpunch while simultaneously giving Superman full credit for getting smacked around. Ergo, Earthman punches like a girl equally.
Then you made an excuse about Superman's off-panel "dynamic strength" to avoid the obvious consequence of comparing Colossal Boy and Superman. Which then negates any notion that a human Clark Kent could tank Earthman's punches in the first place.
You then brought up Superman's off-panel "dynamic skillz". Which... I suppose was a pivot back towards being on-topic in this thread but honestly makes no sense.
Provide fuller context or don't. Get on-topic or don't. Not asking anything else of you, pal.
Originally posted by SmurphYou just don't understand Smurph!
I'm also not really sure it's true that Superman "tanked" those hits.He took them, but Earth Man was relishing the beat down. He got a punch in, but only so Earth Man could use Ultra Boy's invulnerability against him and make him hurt his fist.
In the next issue Earth Man breaks the ring, tells Superman it's time to splatter on the sidewalk, and drops him.
Was Earth Man powerful? Yes. Was he toying with Superman the whole time? Also yes.
Pretty different from Scott taking a beatdown from Carol while she's enraged by chaos magic and hitting hard enough to send him flying through four houses.
"Something, something, dynamic strength, something, something, dynamic skillz..." Stop being such a Superman hater, plz.
Originally posted by ODG
Other than protecting him from the vacuum of space and the heat of re-entry and granting him flight, etc. In which case, Earthman punches like a girl. I think I've been very straight-forward. You have, however, continued to prevaricate and contradict yourself.You brought up Colossal Boy as an excuse. But gave him no credit for not getting splattered by a giant-sized Earthman suckerpunch while simultaneously giving Superman full credit for getting smacked around. Ergo, Earthman punches like a girl equally.
Then you made an excuse about Superman's off-panel "dynamic strength" to avoid the obvious consequence of comparing Colossal Boy and Superman. Which then negates any notion that a human Clark Kent could tank Earthman's punches in the first place.
You then brought up Superman's off-panel "dynamic skillz". Which... I suppose was a pivot back towards being on-topic in this thread but honestly makes no sense.
Provide fuller context or don't. Get on-topic or don't. Not asking anything else of you, pal.
Originally posted by ODG
Which means Earthman punches like a girl. I suppose with even less force than a security guard's baton even.I'm perfectly ok with that conclusion. 👆 👆
Originally posted by ODG
^ He's wearing his Legion ring there.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998Oi vey. Exactly how does randomly invoking the absurd notion of Superman's "dynamic skillz" meant to remedy the giant gaping holes you've left yourself with how much you've twisted yourself up over simple context?
Or just means Superman can somehow ramp up his skills?
Whatever Superman blanky helps you sleep at night to justify avoiding how amateurish a depowered Superman w/ Legion flight ring looked against simple security goons. And that couldn't have been exactly why I posted those scans, after all.
Do you still not feel the strings upon which I tug?
Originally posted by ODG
Oi vey. Exactly how does randomly invoking the absurd notion of Superman's "dynamic skillz" meant to remedy the giant gaping holes you've left yourself with how much you've twisted yourself up over simple context?Whatever Superman blanky helps you sleep at night to avoid justifying how amateurish a depowered Superman w/ Legion flight ring looked against simple security goons. And that couldn't have been exactly why I posted those scans, after all.
Do you still not feel the strings upon which I tug?
Maybe stop projecting some of your opinions to others?
