Superman vs Cyclops - twist · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
The context is I'm simply not agreeing with your initial point. Which I feel you can't prove(and as far as the discussion goes, it seems you indeed can't confirm it)

Which is fine. While I've already listed a whole bunch of things these plot device Legion rings have been on-panel capable of doing... within the context of this particular story? Yeah, Superman got bonked on the head by a security guard goon.

Which means Earthman punches like a girl.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
If you want context, I mean I just agreed on Smurph that Earth Man could be toying with Superman

Don't conflate your intentions with Smurph's. You simply could've agreed with me fromt he get-go that Earthman punches like a girl when I first brought it up. But, no. You went on to sh1t up this entire page by making excuses with Colossal Boy, "dynamic strength" and "dynamic skillz".

That embarrassment was of your own doing, pal.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I don't even know what dynamic skills are. Does Superman suddenly know how to bake the perfect cake if the occasion calls for it? He can suddenly twerk like Philly's nastiest stripper, Sha'dynasty, if Bruce needs him to?

😂

. . . . .

But seriously, don't give him anymore bright ideas. sneer

Kinda need to kill this stupid notion in the crib, as it were. crackers

qwertyuiop1998 The Vampire

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I don't even know what dynamic skills are. Does Superman suddenly know how to bake the perfect cake if the occasion calls for it? He can suddenly twerk like Philly's nastiest stripper, Sha'dynasty, if Bruce needs him to?

In my opinions, I think it's like many characters that seem to vary skills in some degrees
For example, Black Adam's skills seem vary in his fights against Batman and against Deathstroke(Dark Crisis)

And even Batman's fights with Deathstroke seem very in skills throughout their many fights

carver9 Senior Member

Dynamic skills, lmmfao

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Clark...you alone have the heart, the strength, to do what is needed. For those we love, for the entire Multiverse...

Bruce....I.....I don't know if I can. It's too much....

You CAN, Clark, goddammit! Dick is gone, we have no-one else, now go out there and shake that ass until the Antimonitor throws some hundreds in the sky and makes it rain!!!!! You KNOW how to **** drop, I know you can!!!

.... For those we love, Bruce.....

*Rack City begins playing*

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

As usual Dumbo comes in and vomits all over the thread with his bullshit.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Clark...you alone have the heart, the strength, to do what is needed. For those we love, for the entire Multiverse...
Bruce....I.....I don't know if I can. It's too much....
You CAN, Clark, goddammit! Dick is gone, we have no-one else, now go out there and shake that ass until the Antimonitor throws some hundreds in the sky and makes it rain!!!!! You KNOW how to **** drop, I know you can!!!
.... For those we love, Bruce.....
*Rack City begins playing*

Anyway, here's how Superman completely manhandles a "more skilled than Batman" Black Adam.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman just manhandles Black Adam like he was a child lol.

😉😉

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Clark...you alone have the heart, the strength, to do what is needed. For those we love, for the entire Multiverse...
Bruce....I.....I don't know if I can. It's too much....
You CAN, Clark, goddammit! Dick is gone, we have no-one else, now go out there and shake that ass until the Antimonitor throws some hundreds in the sky and makes it rain!!!!! You KNOW how to **** drop, I know you can!!!
.... For those we love, Bruce.....
*Rack City begins playing*

Originally posted by carver9
Dynamic skills, lmmfao

Please don't blame me for this, srsly.

No matter how clever I think I am, no way I could've manipulated qwertyuiop1998 into coming up with that laffer.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

It’s not that powerless Supes is better than Batman hand to hand, it’s not even that he’s better than Owlman, who even Bats has struggled with, it’s just a good feat for him. And totally admissible for discussion, especially when considering he doesn’t have many hand to hand fights against elite fighters while powerless. In general though, when it calls for it, on rare occasion, he’s looked mostly pretty capable.

It would need to be consistent to elevate him. Like when he started railroading super high end threats regularly and people where like that’s just a rare hero overcoming odds they all do it, but then it happened every few months for two and a half decades.

Smurph tu quoqumber

Nobody said it wasn't admissible. But everything you just said (Supes isn't actually more skilled than Batman, or Owlman) shows how disingenuous this question is:

Originally posted by Juntai
So landing one punch that does nothing on Wolverine is better feat than beating 3 Batmen?

You want the AU Batmen to stand in for Batman when arguing Superman's skill relative to Cyclops, but you abandon that argument if we compare Superman to Bruce. And you just can't have it both ways.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Smurph
Nobody said it wasn't admissible. But everything you just said (Supes isn't actually more skilled than Batman, or Owlman) shows how disingenuous this question is:
You want the AU Batmen to stand in for Batman when arguing Superman's skill relative to Cyclops, but you abandon that argument if we compare Superman to Bruce. And you just can't have it both ways.

He never implied the Batmen were equal to Bruce. He implied the Batmen were close enough in skill (or just great in skill in general) where beating them is significantly better than tagging Logan.

Lastly, beating someone in a comic doesnt always mean you are better than them. Think about it?

Smurph tu quoqumber

Originally posted by h1a8
He never implied the Batmen were equal to Bruce. He implied the Batmen were close enough in skill (or just great in skill in general) where beating them is significantly better than tagging Logan.
Lastly, beating someone in a comic doesnt always mean you are better than them. Think about it?

You must be lost? This is a forum for people who read comics.

ShadowFyre Senior Member

I still don't understand they are obviously not powerless if they're using powers and fighting superheroes or super villains.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Smurph
Nobody said it wasn't admissible. But everything you just said (Supes isn't actually more skilled than Batman, or Owlman) shows how disingenuous this question is:
You want the AU Batmen to stand in for Batman when arguing Superman's skill relative to Cyclops, but you abandon that argument if we compare Superman to Bruce. And you just can't have it both ways.

Et voila, the feat is null and void. It's like it never even happened.

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Carver's next thread:
Hank Pym vs. Aquaman

Yet more characters he doesn't know a thing about. He might as well, I suppose. He might learn something.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Hey, I am not bald. Not yet, anyway.

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Originally posted by carver9
Even of he's using 70% of Superman's power, it's still a terrible showing. A glancing blow should kill any human, period. Imagine someone with Hulk full power throwing around a human and it doing absolutely nothing physically to him. That shit would be embarrassing. He shouldn't even be able to dodge a blow from this version of Superman since his speed is human level. I don't care how much you try to twist this as a skill thing. Let's stick with Superman having some of his powers, please.

5D imps who casually defeated Mxy couldn't even kill Robin:

Originally posted by carver9
I forgot to post this but Robin do not get enough love. He survived a point blank attack from the most powerful imp...

Not only that, he was moving so fast that the imp couldn't even hit him at one point.

Pretty sure Robin has no powers

ODG Find Your Own Fire

^ So in other words, powerless Cyclops beats the sh1t out of powerless Superman?

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Originally posted by ODG
^ So in other words, powerless Cyclops beats the sh1t out of powerless Superman?

Pretty much.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
5D imps who casually defeated Mxy couldn't even kill Robin:
Pretty sure Robin has no powers

Robin is pretty freaking durable and fast. Withstanding a blast from someone more powerful than all of the imps and then a couple of panels after, walking around like it never happened. 🫡

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Originally posted by carver9
Robin is pretty freaking durable and fast. Withstanding a blast from someone more powerful than all of the imps and then a couple of panels after, walking around like it never happened. 🫡

👆 you get it.

Powerless humans in comics sure are powerful , concession accepted.