Superman vs Cyclops - twist

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's only after the Sentinel blasts Logan who's injured. Grappling isn't gonna help him here since Superman is both stronger and is more skilled in grappling than him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you saying Cyclops is strong enough to stagger a class 100 character? This just after your whole "more skilled than Batman" rhetoric? Lmao.

Again, I never argued to negate a feat. You asked for a comparable feat from Cyclops and now you can't figure out how to respond.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean.....if the feat was Superman Vs Batman, and Superman won on skills then...sure.

But it's not.

At least Cyclops actually threw down with Cap.

Originally posted by Smurph
From an entire career of taking hits from sentinels. From mind-controlled Colossus. From bloodlusted Captain Marvel. Surviving a massive lightning strike from Storm.

Scans of such feats? The only time I know he was hit by storm, he ****ing died and had to be revived.

Nimrod running billions of scenarios and concluding that in every one he was the singularly toughest X-Man.

No, he was the last one standing. There's a difference.

He's Marvel's child soldier.

Who ****ing cares?

Beating Owlman is impressive because of his feats against Batman. Beating the other Batmen is impressive because.... their name is Batman.

His feat, not prime Earth batman.

You'll notice that I didn't frame the feat as being about Batman - you did:

And it makes sense because the feat is about Batman. Superman even starts the fight saying that Bruce has always wanted to know which of them would win an even fight.

Ok so to be clear, you were saying "Superman beat three alternate Batmen while depowered" and you're now saying "but that doesn't mean he could actually beat Batman"?

You might notice that I never said the feat is "negated". As far as I can tell, the only people trying to negate feats are you and Carver.

A long ass paragraph and you "circle" back to "You really think Superman is more skilled than Batman, REALLY?" while touting Cyclops as the toughest X-man? I mean, do you have any idea how dumb you sound right now?

Originally posted by Smurph
No, it's after the Sentinel grabs both of them and Scott escapes first. Then they continue their fight and punch each other. The entire time Scott is just fighting to prevent Wolverine from pushing the detonator he's holding.

He literally never even punched Wolverine once? What are you even talking about here? The whole fight is just him blasting Logan.

You literally just made the same argument about powerless Superman vs Aquaman....???

Superman at least had some super strength there.

Again, I never argued to negate a feat. You asked for a comparable feat from Cyclops and now you can't figure out how to respond.

Lol, "you really think Superman is more skilled than Batman, REALLY"?

Originally posted by Smurph
Wait, so Superman is or isn't more skilled than Batman?

You just said that nobody's arguing Superman is more skilled than Bats, now you're acting like it's unfair that he can't be more skilled than Bats.

I don't care which it is, but you can't have it both ways.

Hope that helps.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Threw down with cap meaning blasted him you mean?

Yup. He punched her, she punched him (through some buildings), she blasted him, he blasted her.

He still fought her. Batman didn't fight Superman in the feat you mentioned.

Nimrod still called Cyclops the toughest X-man. This isn't something that anyone on the board is making up.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yup. He punched her, she punched him (through some buildings), she blasted him, he blasted her.

He still fought her. Batman didn't fight Superman in the feat you mentioned.

Nimrod still called Cyclops the toughest X-man. This isn't something that anyone on the board is making up.

Nimrod calling Cyclops toughest X-man only to be smoked one page later by Storm is lulzworthy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Eh, powerless Superman fought and survived several hits from Earth Man with the power of entire Legion of superheroes. Easily trumps the stupidity of the Captain Marvel fight.

Nimrod calling Cyclops toughest X-man only to be smoked one page later by Storm is lulzworthy.

Surely that's even more stupid? Which I guess is if the metric you're using is 'stupidity', yes, that does indeed trump it lol.

What's the issue?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Scans of such feats? The only time I know he was hit by storm, he ****ing died and had to be revived.

Yeah, he needed CPR after the Storm lightning bolt and then came to on the next page. But it was a massive hit.

And he had already somehow survived this ermm

And then there's him shrugging off the blast from Blastaar and then the punch/bullrush from insane Namor. Steve Rogers/Namor annuals iirc.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he was the last one standing. There's a difference.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who ****ing cares?

Originally posted by abhilegend
His feat, not prime Earth batman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
A long ass paragraph and you "circle" back to "You really think Superman is more skilled than Batman, REALLY?" while touting Cyclops as the toughest X-man? I mean, do you have any idea how dumb you sound right now?

Originally posted by abhilegend
He literally never even punched Wolverine once? What are you even talking about here? The whole fight is just him blasting Logan.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman at least had some super strength there.

Then we point to the Captain Marvel punch and you cry "negate!"

If Superman's headbutt is only valid (in your opinion) because Superman had super strength, then why bring it up in this thread at all?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lol, "you really think Superman is more skilled than Batman, REALLY"?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman is more skilled than Batman

Originally posted by abhilegend
just like Cyclops is the toughest X-man.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hope that helps.

Originally posted by Smurph
Colossus: https://imgur.com/OgIUjLo

Yeah, nothing compared to Earth Man hitting him several times with the combined power of entire Legion of Superheroes.

Yeah, he needed CPR after the Storm lightning bolt and then came to on the next page. But it was a massive hit.

Dying isn't a feat.

And he had already somehow survived this ermm

Nothing shows Cyclops was hit by that bolt?

And then there's him shrugging off the blast from Blastaar and then the punch/bullrush from insane Namor. Steve Rogers/Namor annuals iirc.

There's no shrugging off in either of those scenes.

"You're the toughest of them, I'll give you that"

Only to get smoked by Storm on the very next page lol

Kinda seems like you do.

This quote doesn't respond to anything I said.

This quote doesn't respond to anything I said.

This is getting boring now.

Originally posted by Smurph
lol cool 👆

Now you've come around to the truth 👆

It does!

As you said yourself.

Originally posted by Smurph
Assuming it's all in the actual comic:

Feats > statements, usually.

Though as a general rule, feats with statements > feats or statements alone. The combined art and words give multiple ways to assess the feat. The better we can understand the feat, the more weight we can place in relying on it.

Statements alone are difficult, because it implies that something is theoretical or happened off panel. Either way, lots of ambiguity and little reliability.

... unless OP is asking about statements the writer makes outside of the comic, which do not in any way trump what happens in the comic.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Surely that's even more stupid? Which I guess is if the metric you're using is 'stupidity', yes, that does indeed trump it lol.

What's the issue?

616, apparently.

Toughness is the metric. What is it you think I'm saying?

So landing one punch that does nothing on Wolverine is better feat than beating 3 Batmen?

Sure, Juntai

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nobody's arguing Superman is more skilled than Batman

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, nothing compared to Earth Man hitting him several times with the combined power of entire Legion of Superheroes.

Originally posted by Smurph
What's the issue number?

^ He's wearing his Legion ring there.

Originally posted by Juntai
So landing one punch that does nothing on Wolverine is better feat than beating 3 Batmen?