Thanos (Endgame) vs Collection of MCU villains

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He overpowered him in short order with superior strength and h2h. But I wouldnt say it was a ragdoll. Certainly not treating like a child.

Ragdolling is what Hulk did to Loki in A1 (and even after a showing like that, not sure I'd be comfortable assuming Hulk just ploughs through two or three Loki's)..

Abomination is near Hulk level. So just with Abom and Namor you almost have essentially 2 Hulks right there.

And then theres Ikaris. So id say 3 heavyweights, 2 with flight, we have ranged attacks as well.

Without Infinity Stones Ive personally not seen anything from Thanos to make me think he will just plough through this many heavyweights. He wasnt THAT much stronger than Hulk (though he clearly was a much better fighter). And he lacks in versatility.

He has the sword here, that will certainly help, but then Namor has his vibranium staff as well.

It was a beating. The only reason he got hit at all was because it was a surprise attack. Ebony Maw even said = "Let him have his fun". The Hulk was zero threat to him. After he pummeled the Hulk, Thor stepped in and couldnt even phase Thanos.

Abomination and Namor would pose no problems. Ikaris would be annoying due to his eye beams, but he better not let Thanos grab him or he's short work too.

Let the truth be the truth. Yes Thanos stomped Hulk but it wasn't a ragdoll or treating him like a child. No need for that type of exaggerating.

Namor can possibly stab Thanos with the spear when Thanos is occupied by so many individuals (especially those shooting beams).
This is only a possibility.

The Destroyer on the other hand would be tough for Thanos to put down. It would be a huge distraction at the very least (going by feats) and a semi threat (going by Odin intentions of creating it).

Originally posted by h1a8
Let the truth be the truth. Yes Thanos stomped Hulk but it wasn't a ragdoll or treating him like a child. No need for that type of exaggerating.

Guess we percieve it differently. Once Thanos collected himself, the Hulk couldn't even mount an offensive attack. He was barraged by punches. The Hulk was absolutely powerless to do anything. Thanos was toying with him.

Originally posted by h1a8

Namor can possibly stab Thanos with the spear when Thanos is occupied by so many individuals (especially those shooting beams).
This is only a possibility.

The Destroyer on the other hand would be tough for Thanos to put down. It would be a huge distraction at the very least (going by feats) and a semi threat (going by Odin intentions of creating it).

Didn't Thanos have the power gem when he owned Hulk?

Originally posted by Thinkerer
Didn't Thanos have the power gem when he owned Hulk?

I dunno, am I?

Originally posted by Thinkerer
Didn't Thanos have the power gem when he owned Hulk?

aside from that, the mcu power stone hasn't been definitively shown to buff the user's physical stats anyway. it ain't the comic version.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
he had it yes. but the director commentary confirms that he wasn't using it.

aside from that, the mcu power stone hasn't been definitively shown to buff the user's physical stats anyway. it ain't the comic version.

Originally posted by tkitna
It was a beating. The only reason he got hit at all was because it was a surprise attack. Ebony Maw even said = "Let him have his fun". The Hulk was zero threat to him. After he pummeled the Hulk, Thor stepped in and couldnt even phase Thanos.

Abomination and Namor would pose no problems. Ikaris would be annoying due to his eye beams, but he better not let Thanos grab him or he's short work too.

I need to see him up against multiple heavyweights. Let's face it, his 3 on 1 (Thor, IM and Cap) in Endgame only had the 1 heavyweight in terms of strength.

Also I know it's a different reality where he likely didn't keep up his fighting skills, but I can't forget his fight against Cull Obsidian and Proxima in his "What If" appearance where T'Challa is Starlord and redeems Thanos before he collects the Infinity Stones.

Originally posted by h1a8

Namor can possibly stab Thanos with the spear when Thanos is occupied by so many individuals (especially those shooting beams).
This is only a possibility.

Actually agree with this. Namor has the strength and weapon to stab Thanos, he just needs help as distractions. And these distractions are pretty strong and verastile themselves and not easy to even hit.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Stop exaggerating.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I need to see him up against multiple heavyweights. Let's face it, his 3 on 1 (Thor, IM and Cap) in Endgame only had the 1 heavyweight in terms of strength.

Also I know it's a different reality where he likely didn't keep up his fighting skills, but I can't forget his fight against Cull Obsidian and Proxima in his "What If" appearance where T'Challa is Starlord and redeems Thanos before he collects the Infinity Stones.

Actually agree with this. Namor has the strength and weapon to stab Thanos, he just needs help as distractions. And these distractions are pretty strong and verastile themselves and not easy to even hit.

As you said different reality.

So does Fat Thor, guess what he almost got impaled with his own Stormbreaker. Fat Thor is still far more powerful than Namor.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Thor and Iron man are both at least a match or better to the heavyweights you mentioned.

You think IM is equal to Abomination?

Abom and Namor are both clearly much stronger than IM. And Namor can fly and has a vibranium weapon as well.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
As you said different reality.

Yeah but they are closely related realities however. So let's not pretend like Thanos from that reality has a completely different physiology or never learned to fight. The main changes to those realities are made pretty clear.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
So does Fat Thor, guess what he almost got impaled with his own Stormbreaker. Fat Thor is still far more powerful than Namor.

Except Fat Thor didn't have Hulk to grip Thanos from behind for him.

Again, I've not seen anything from Thanos to suggest he can play around with multiple heavweights the way say Scarlet Witch did in Multiverse of Madness. The lack of versatility in his powers doesn't exactly help either.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You think IM is equal to Abomination?

Abom and Namor are both clearly much stronger than IM. And Namor can fly and has a vibranium weapon as well.
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I think Bleeding Edge Ironman is more powerful than Namor.
Not equal but in a fight IM has the tools to KO Abom.
How much more powerful do you think Abom is than IM?

Never argued Ironman being stronger than Namor. He has more than strength going for him.
What makes Namor "much" stronger than Ironman though?
Did he lift a Submarine or something?

Namor is also clearly not on the level of Thor.
POINT is Ironman is also a heavyweight.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

Yeah but they are closely related realities however. So let's not pretend like Thanos from that reality has a completely different physiology or never learned to fight. The main changes to those realities are made pretty clear.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Except Fat Thor didn't have Hulk to grip Thanos from behind for him.

Again, I've not seen anything from Thanos to suggest he can play around with multiple heavweights the way say Scarlet Witch did in Multiverse of Madness. The lack of versatility in his powers doesn't exactly help either.

So I guess Thanos is just sitting there waving his blade while Abom grips him? You know Thanos has his blade here right? Blade if aimed right will probably oneshot Namor.

He has completely dominated 2 on screen though.

Now who's really going to put Thanos down here? Are we all hoping on Namor's Spear ? Once Namor is out the team is gone? If not who else is going to put him down?

Originally posted by 9jaboy
I think Bleeding Edge Ironman is more powerful than Namor.
Not equal but in a fight IM has the tools to KO Abom.
How much more powerful do you think Abom is than IM?

Well he couldn't KO Cull Obsidian in his most impressive armour, so I'm not seeing it. Outside of Hulkbuster.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Never argued Ironman being stronger than Namor. He has more than strength going for him.

That's what I mean by heavyweights though. I think multiple opponents with immense strength is going start stacking up and being too much for Thanos. Even moreso with their versatility of powers that he clearly lacks.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
What makes Namor "much" stronger than Ironman though?
Did he lift a Submarine or something?

Ripping through Wakandan ships. Aside from that it's In Universe and Director commentary putting him on Thor/Hulk level of strength.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Namor is also clearly not on the level of Thor.
POINT is Ironman is also a heavyweight.

Like I said, he couldn't take Cull Obsidian, so not seeing it.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Best to stay out of it. All you have is speculation at best. Alternate reality versions don't interchange feats, they are literally not the same Thanos.

Fair. I never actually used it as an argument. More just explaining it doesn't help my impression of Thanos being the type to rip through multiple heavyweights.

Btw the only time we see him do a big leap is in the What If episode. Going by just the movies he can't even leap up to catch his opponents.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
So I guess Thanos is just sitting there waving his blade while Abom grips him? You know Thanos has his blade here right? Blade if aimed right will probably oneshot Namor.

He's probably using his blade to block Ikaris's HV, whilst Abom grips him, and then he has to fight off Namor with his staff. Honeslty just those 3 seem a bit much to me.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
He has completely dominated 2 on screen though.

2 including IM. Again not convinced that's 2.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Now who's really going to put Thanos down here? Are we all hoping on Namor's Spear ? Once Namor is out the team is gone? If not who else is going to put him down?

The spear is certainly a threat to him. His own blade could be if he drops it and someone else grabs it. What's even his durability feats for taking Heat blasts? There's too much going on for him just with those 3.

We've not seen him hold his own against 3 combatants like this, and we know he's not invincible. Thor, Captain Marvel and SW have all been on the winning side against him one v one at some point.

^ Correction. Ikaris eye beams were not heat blasts. Was the same cosmic energy the other Eternals used. It physically threw around Deviants, so cosmic force blasts I guess.

Originally posted by tkitna
Guess we percieve it differently. Once Thanos collected himself, the Hulk couldn't even mount an offensive attack. He was barraged by punches. The Hulk was absolutely powerless to do anything. Thanos was toying with him.

Thanos was never toying with Hulk. He put forth some serious effort into whipping his arse. It was just a matter of skillful attacks, some as pressure points. But it took effort.

I can one shot a child or nearly ragdoll one (depending on how old).
Thanos can't come close to doing anything like that to Hulk.
Yes Thanos stomped Hulk. So let's just leave it at that. No exaggeration needed.

If Hulk had any fighting skill or a little more speed of attack then he couldve lasted a lot longer.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You think IM is equal to Abomination?

Abom and Namor are both clearly much stronger than IM. And Namor can fly and has a vibranium weapon as well.

Yeah but they are closely related realities however. So let's not pretend like Thanos from that reality has a completely different physiology or never learned to fight. The main changes to those realities are made pretty clear.

Except Fat Thor didn't have Hulk to grip Thanos from behind for him.

Again, I've not seen anything from Thanos to suggest he can play around with multiple heavweights the way say Scarlet Witch did in Multiverse of Madness. The lack of versatility in his powers doesn't exactly help either.

Namor is extremely weak dude. He has no great feats. Swinging a helicopter and a Wakanda ships around? Breaking some strong oak wood (that has no feats). What's that class 10?
We go by feats. This isn't comic Namor. We treat movie characters completely different than their comic counterparts (basically a completely different character altogether).

Abom is weak too. He couldn't break a very thick chains. And him and Hulk was seen throwing cars a short distance. He has no feats above class 10. Neither does that Hulk.

Originally posted by h1a8
Namor is extremely weak dude. He has no great feats. Swinging a helicopter and a Wakanda ships around? Breaking some strong oak wood (that has no feats). What's that class 10?
We go by feats. This isn't comic Namor. We treat movie characters completely different than their comic counterparts (basically a completely different character altogether).

Abom is weak too. He couldn't break a very thick chains. And him and Hulk was seen throwing cars a short distance. He has no feats above class 10. Neither does that Hulk.

This is funny coming from the guy always going on about writers intention. Except when it comes to In Univerae comments and directors commentary for Marvel movies.

Not referring to comics at all. But Power scaling matters. And going by power scaling - Abom is a near Hulk level character.

And Namor overpowering Wakanda tech and armies is no small feat. Remember OG Black Panther (after building up kinetic energy with his suit) knocked Cull Obsidian flat on his ass, and he was defeated by being smashed against a Wakandan force field. Whilst Iron Man in his most impressive suit was about to get beaten by Cull before Wong saved him.

The new Black Panther however along with the Gen Z Iron Woman needed weakness exploitation to even stand a chance against Namor. So I defo power scale Namor above IM. And by quite a bit.

In any case, I see you guys think Thanos wins here because you just have a much lower opinion of the characters hes up against than I do. Which is understandable given their limited exposure.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
This is funny coming from the guy always going on about writers intention. Except when it comes to In Univerae comments and directors commentary for Marvel movies.

Not referring to comics at all. But Power scaling matters. And going by power scaling - Abom is a near Hulk level character.

And Namor overpowering Wakanda tech and armies is no small feat. Remember OG Black Panther (after building up kinetic energy with his suit) knocked Cull Obsidian flat on his ass, and he was defeated by being smashed against a Wakandan force field. Whilst Iron Man in his most impressive suit was about to get beaten by Cull before Wong saved him.

The new Black Panther however along with the Gen Z Iron Woman needed weakness exploitation to even stand a chance against Namor. So I defo power scale Namor above IM. And by quite a bit.

In any case, I see you guys think Thanos wins here because you just have a much lower opinion of the characters hes up against than I do. Which is understandable given their limited exposure.

Hulk in the movie you are scaling off is a 10-15 tonner.

I'm sorry but if both character A and B fails to lift x tons in movie 1.
But in movie 2 character B doesn't fail to lift x tons then either
1. character B is a different character in movie 2(character A stays where he is)
Or
2. Character B is stronger in movie 2 (character A still stays where he is).

That's like me and you shown to be equal strength where we both try to lift 300lb but fail. But in movie 2 I lift 400lb. Does that make you stronger now?