Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk in the movie you are scaling off is a 10-15 tonner.I'm sorry but if both character A and B fails to lift x tons in movie 1.
But in movie 2 character B doesn't fail to lift x tons then either
1. character B is a different character in movie 2(character A stays where he is)
Or
2. Character B is stronger in movie 2 (character A still stays where he is).That's like me and you shown to be equal strength where we both try to lift 300lb but fail. But in movie 2 I lift 400lb. Does that make you stronger now?
Or another option is PIS/WIS. For the sake of plot/timing, Hulk isn't shown benching 10,000 tons or whatever.
But he's still the same character. He hasn't gotten stronger, it's just that in that specific movie he didn't do XYZ. But feats transfer across different films/episodes/issues, if they're the same character.
Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk in the movie you are scaling off is a 10-15 tonner.I'm sorry but if both character A and B fails to lift x tons in movie 1.
But in movie 2 character B doesn't fail to lift x tons then either
1. character B is a different character in movie 2(character A stays where he is)
Or
2. Character B is stronger in movie 2 (character A still stays where he is).That's like me and you shown to be equal strength where we both try to lift 300lb but fail. But in movie 2 I lift 400lb. Does that make you stronger now?
Are you seriously trying to make an argument based on feats for every movie although they are the same character? Good lord. That's weak even from you.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or another option is PIS/WIS. For the sake of plot/timing, Hulk isn't shown benching 10,000 tons or whatever.But he's still the same character. He hasn't gotten stronger, it's just that in that specific movie he didn't do XYZ. But feats transfer across different films/episodes/issues, if they're the same character.
Its not PIS because the whole movie he was a class 10-15 character.
PIS only exists if they have contradictory feats IN THE SAME MOVIE.
If Rocky can't lift 300lb in Rocky 1 but can lift 400lb in Rocky 4 then he is stronger in Rocky 4. So anyone that matches strength with him in Rocky 1 doesn't also get a strength upgrade.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I don't remember him struggling to lift 20 tons in that film.It's MCU Hulk. I.e. the same Hulk. And Abom was his near equal.
There was never any mention of a substantial strength amp.
Whether you believe it's the same character has no bearing on him being the same strength in later versions.
He was clearly a class 10-15 character in Norton's version. Abom matched him and failed to break a thick chain (after exerting effort).
Originally posted by h1a8
Its not PIS because the whole movie he was a class 10-15 character.
PIS only exists if they have contradictory feats IN THE SAME MOVIE.If Rocky can't lift 300lb in Rocky 1 but can lift 400lb in Rocky 4 then he is stronger in Rocky 4. So anyone that matches strength with him in Rocky 1 doesn't also get a strength upgrade.
Where does it say this in the rules?
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well he couldn't KO Cull Obsidian in his most impressive armour, so I'm not seeing it. Outside of Hulkbuster.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well he couldn't KO Cull Obsidian in his most impressive armour, so I'm not seeing it. Outside of Hulkbuster.That's what I mean by heavyweights though. I think multiple opponents with immense strength is going start stacking up and being too much for Thanos. Even moreso with their versatility of powers that he clearly lacks.
None of them have proven to be strong enough to hurt Thanos with punches, how exactly are the heavyweights stacking up? Hulk is stronger than all these guys yet he couldn't even hurt Thanos with a barrage of assaults and surprise attack.
Prove to me they can hurt Thanos bar the Spear(which is even a speculation)
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Ripping through Wakandan ships. Aside from that it's In Universe and Director commentary putting him on Thor/Hulk level of strength.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
He's probably using his blade to block Ikaris's HV, whilst Abom grips him, and then he has to fight off Namor with his staff. Honeslty just those 3 seem a bit much to me.
Those 3 will be completely stomped easily imo.
2 including IM. Again not convinced that's 2..
Originally posted by Darth ThorIf we're giving the spear Stormbreaker feats.The spear is certainly a threat to him. His own blade could be if he drops it and someone else grabs it. What's even his durability feats for taking Heat blasts? There's too much going on for him just with those 3.
A dying Thanos did take CM's blasts with nothing to show for it , so there's that. Ikaris is getting more useless by the second.
What's Ikaris best HV feat?
Originally posted by Darth ThorWe've not seen him hold his own against 3 combatants like this, and we know he's not invincible. Thor, Captain Marvel and SW have all been on the winning side against him one v one at some point.
I'm yet to see who here can hurt Thanos aside the Spear. Is it so hard to prove?
Originally posted by h1a8
Its not PIS because the whole movie he was a class 10-15 character.
PIS only exists if they have contradictory feats IN THE SAME MOVIE.If Rocky can't lift 300lb in Rocky 1 but can lift 400lb in Rocky 4 then he is stronger in Rocky 4. So anyone that matches strength with him in Rocky 1 doesn't also get a strength upgrade.
Do you realize how silly this is (of course you don't)? The Hulk's strength has always been dependent on how mad he gets (savage Hulk anyways) so situations for him are always different. Displaying upper tier strength feats aren't always required in every situation.
Taking strength feats from one movie and solely using them for a character with varying strength like the Hulk is idiotic.
In the example you gave with Rocky, if he wasn't required to lift 300lbs in the first movie, that doesn't mean he couldn't, it only means he didn't try. He's still the same character.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
Nah bro watch it again. Took Cull quite a while to get back to the fight after Ironman Blasted him initially.
You could see Ironman wasn't even seriously fighting him by the way he was talking to Bruce and Spiderman.
Also for your info Hulkbuster couldn't KO Cull either lol and Hulkbuster > Hulk 😛
Cull is above Namor.
And yet IM needed saving both times. In IW by Spider-Man and Wong. IN Endgame by Spider-Man and Ant-Man :/
Cull clearly couldn't defeat a Wakandan army, given he was knocked on his butt by BP and defeated by Wakandan shields.
Namor needed to be weakened despite being up against the new BP, the Gen Z Iron-(Wo)Man, and Wakandan weapons.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
Dr Strange isn't a heavyweight then or Scarlet witch for that matter but she will wipe the floor with Namor.
Fair enough as I did define heavyweights myself in terms of brute strength for this discussion.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
None of them have proven to be strong enough to hurt Thanos with punches, how exactly are the heavyweights stacking up? Hulk is stronger than all these guys yet he couldn't even hurt Thanos with a barrage of assaults and surprise attack.Prove to me they can hurt Thanos bar the Spear(which is even a speculation)
Okay let's not pretend as if Thanos was just standing there no selling Hulk's punches. If IM can drop blood from him and even Spider-Man's punches effect him, then of course all these guys are capable of hurting him. Especially with a Vibranium spear.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
Ripping through with his Spear. That's a strength feat?
Is that the strength feat that's much beyond Ironman? What 😂. Go watch the fight on Titan and see IM do better than that lol. Namor couldn't even KO Mbaku , what a heavyweight.
Commentary not supported by on panel evidence.
Yes it's a strength feat, because those ships are made of vibranium. So would be like ripping through metal ships with a metal spear.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
Or he uses Namor to block Ikaris HV like he did with Ironman. How about that?
And easily breaks Abom's hold and slices him up.Those 3 will be completely stomped easily imo.
Namor was much faster and more agile than anyting we've seen from Thanos tbh.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
Ironman is more formidable than Namor that's for Sure.
So you think BP and a Wakandan army couldn't stop an assault by IM, on his own. No Veronica or Edith? Really?
Originally posted by 9jaboy
Thanos has better reflexes and is far more skilled and far stronger than anyone here, if anyone is grabbing another's weapon , it would be Thanos.
Not convinced. Namor was blocking energy blasts from the Wakandan ships.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
A dying Thanos did take CM's blasts with nothing to show for it , so there's that. Ikaris is getting more useless by the second.
What's Ikaris best HV feat?
I don't think it's HV. Seems to be force blasts.
It was ripping into The Domo, which is a really large and dense alien craft.
In terms of Ikaris strenght and durability he casually flew through the Domo to engage Thena. He also took a load of hits from Makkari, who runs at ridiculous super sonic speeds and has super strength and durability herself, only adding to the power of those blows.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
I'm yet to see who here can hurt Thanos aside the Spear. Is it so hard to prove?
He's difficult to hurt for sure. But with the level of strength we have here, and a Vibranium spear, they should be capable of drawing blood.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
And yet IM needed saving both times. In IW by Spider-Man and Wong. IN Endgame by Spider-Man and Ant-Man :/Cull clearly couldn't defeat a Wakandan army, given he was knocked on his butt by BP and defeated by Wakandan shields.
Namor needed to be weakened despite being up against the new BP, the Gen Z Iron-(Wo)Man, and Wakandan weapons.
Correction, T'challa's suit kinetic energy release.
Namor was beaten up by a weaker Black panther and almost killed and let's not pretend he didn't have an army of freaking Super soldiers and still lost what a Joke.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Fair enough as I did define heavyweights myself in terms of brute strength for this discussion.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Okay let's not pretend as if Thanos was just standing there no selling Hulk's punches. If IM can drop blood from him and even Spider-Man's punches effect him, then of course all these guys are capable of hurting him. Especially with a Vibranium spear.
On the other hand Thanos can oneshot some here. Honestly though how are they beating him?
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yes it's a strength feat, because those ships are made of vibranium. So would be like ripping through metal ships with a metal spear.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Namor was much faster and more agile than anyting we've seen from Thanos tbh.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
So you think BP and a Wakandan army couldn't stop an assault by IM, on his own. No Veronica or Edith? Really?
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Not convinced. Namor was blocking energy blasts from the Wakandan ships.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I don't think it's HV. Seems to be force blasts.It was ripping into The Domo, which is a really large and dense alien craft.
He didn't even rip it one go. Yeah and didn't do much to makkari
How would it compare to say CM's energy blasts? Which did absolutely nothing to a dying Thanos.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
In terms of Ikaris strenght and durability he casually flew through the Domo to engage Thena. He also took a load of hits from Makkari, who runs at ridiculous super sonic speeds and has super strength and durability herself, only adding to the power of those blows.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
He's difficult to hurt for sure. But with the level of strength we have here, and a Vibranium spear, they should be capable of drawing blood.
Abom is going to be down in like a few punches. Namor maybe down in like one or two punches. Do the maths.
Thanos has blades. So Namor is like down in one slice.