Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And yet... he is a mere street tier. Superhuman or not (and ignoring the whole 'burst of superhuman speed' thing that he does, he was still able to dance around and kill two beings who were able to kill those space ants. A Low Meta tier character like Daken was effortlessly slaughtering dozens, maybe even hundreds of Asgardian soldiers (he was joking about and having fun whilst doing so):I think you are missing the point here. The point being that random Asgardians and their medieval weaponry are nowhere near Odin level, yet were able to bring down 'many ants' with their swords etc.
And at the same time, Daken/Taskmaster are easily the betters of random Asgardians.
So:
Space ants < Random Asgardians <<<<<<Daken/Taskmaster.
Yet same space ants, were able to capture and enslave Odin. You are mentioning Balder, and Volstagg, when nobody here did.
I could absolutely be remembering incorrectly(apologies if I am), but wasn't the victory of the space ants specifically attributed to the potency of their weapons and superior numbers? Give a million regular humans herald level weapons and they could eventually bring down any number of ultra powerful beings even though someone like Taskmaster could likely kill dozens of them before they got a chance to capitalize on their 2 big advantages
Originally posted by darthgoober
I could absolutely be remembering incorrectly(apologies if I am), but wasn't the victory of the space ants specifically attributed to the potency of their weapons and superior numbers? Give a million regular humans herald level weapons and they could eventually bring down any number of ultra powerful beings even though someone like Taskmaster could likely kill dozens of them before they got a chance to capitalize on their 2 big advantages
That kinda falls over if you're one of the top tier (if not the top) Skyfather in all of comics, capable of shaking entire galaxies in your fights.
Also, it would be a bit disingenuous to imply the weapons were herald level. I know you didn't explicitly say it, and are exaggerating to make a point, but Asgardians can and do die to street level characters.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I could absolutely be remembering incorrectly(apologies if I am), but wasn't the victory of the space ants specifically attributed to the potency of their weapons and superior numbers? Give a million regular humans herald level weapons and they could eventually bring down any number of ultra powerful beings even though someone like Taskmaster could likely kill dozens of them before they got a chance to capitalize on their 2 big advantages
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That kinda falls over if you're one of the top tier (if not the top) Skyfather in all of comics, capable of shaking entire galaxies in your fights.Also, it would be a bit disingenuous to imply the weapons were herald level. I know you didn't explicitly say it, and are exaggerating to make a point, but Asgardians can and do die to street level characters.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Funny how losing to Doomsday and Superman makes you a jobber but losing to random space ants make them uber powerful, it's funny how marvel fanboy mind works.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh I meant to imply no specific level to the weapons of the ants, my point is that it's not as cut and dry as them dying to street level characters. Maybe the weapons are on par with the weapons of the NYPD, maybe they're akin to Hydra/Shield, maybe they're worthy of the Leader or Mandarin... impossible to say. But if the victory was specifically attributed to powerful weapons and a massive numbers superiority... well those conditions throw quite a bit of ambiguity into the mix.Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single Asgardian I'd consider a jobber just for losing to Supes or Doomsday, after all Supes is a flagship character. The guy losing to Hulk Hogan doesn't automatically earn the title even if he does the "job".
I'm talking about Darkseid
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂I'm talking about Darkseid
And don't get me wrong because Odin's got plenty of lows to pull from justify a similar rip on Odin, but the space ants themselves are a weak case to try to make if the victory was specifically attributed to superior numbers and weapons. Cause if their weapons are better than Asgardian weapons than they'd only really be street level if the Asgarians themselves are street level. By the same token, it'd be unfair to say that losing to a GL or Ironman is the same as losing to a street level character since they're just human when they're unarmed.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't think people called him Jobberseid cause of a single loss to Supes, pretty sure it was a combination of his have issues with Supes a few times, plus Firestorm getting one up on him by redirecting his omega force, plus some GL making him look bad with a shovel construct, plus DS fanboys absolutely losing their shit anytime suggested that anyone in Marvel short Galactus/Odin could even phase the guy.And don't get me wrong because Odin's got plenty of lows to pull from justify a similar rip on Odin, but the space ants themselves are a weak case to try to make if the victory was specifically attributed to superior numbers and weapons. Cause if their weapons are better than Asgardian weapons than they'd only really be street level if the Asgarians themselves are street level. By the same token, it'd be unfair to say that losing to a GL or Ironman is the same as losing to a street level character since they're just human when they're unarmed.
Taskmaster is tiered at street level, and killed two Asgardians on his own.
Daken is the next tier up, Low Meta, and slaughtered a ton of them whilst not taking it seriously. Street level Asgardians seem to be about right based on that...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Taskmaster is tiered at street level, and killed two Asgardians on his own.Daken is the next tier up, Low Meta, and slaughtered a ton of them whilst not taking it seriously. Street level Asgardians seem to be about right based on that...
Batman has Batmite protecting him as a guardian angel, as you well know (but forgot). Maybe that extends to the Batfamily, but that's just me grasping at straws
And no, of course not. Kryptonians then have their other showings that show them as being beyond street level, such as a handful of random Kryps beating Doomsday to death, or stopping a moon/planet (I forget which).
Do random no-name Asgardians have any showings that aren't hype/lip service showcasing how uber they are?
Even Batman combined with Nightwing and Catwoman haven't (to my knowledge) taken down as many Kryptonians as Daken did Asgardians
- he's literally squatting on a pile of their bodies, whilst treating it like a joke.