HP Doomsday vs Space Ants

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Batman has Batmite protecting him as a guardian angel, as you well know (but forgot). Maybe that extends to the Batfamily, but that's just me grasping at straws

And no, of course not. Kryptonians then have their other showings that show them as being beyond street level, such as a handful of random Kryps beating Doomsday to death, or stopping a moon/planet (I forget which).

Do random no-name Asgardians have any showings that aren't hype/lip service showcasing how uber they are?

Even Batman combined with Nightwing and Catwoman haven't (to my knowledge) taken down as many Kryptonians as Daken did Asgardians
- he's literally squatting on a pile of their bodies, whilst treating it like a joke.

As for the showings of no name Asgardians, I'm not really a big enough Thor fan to pay attention to that kind of thing so I have absolutely no idea, but if someone like ODG manages to find one or two good feats for no name Asgardians that it'll convince you that Asgardians are above street level and admit the fallacy in play here? I'm also curious as to whether DD losing to those random Kryptonians makes him herald level since the Asgardians seemed to be outnumbered at least 12 to 1

I don't actually have a dog in this race(writers of both big companies turned me off of comics years ago), my efforts are geared more towards helping those involved in moving the debate forward cause I still enjoy reading a well thought out debate regardless of the topic.

Is this supposed to be a serious thread?

The space ant Vrellnexians defeated Odin and Asgard. Doesn't matter if you want to dismiss it as a goofy early 1970s comic. It happened. Off-panel, yes. And declared by an unreliable narrator, yes. But it happened.

If the Vrellenxians defeated Odin and Asgard, they'd roflstomp H/P Doomsday 10/10.

Originally posted by darthgoober
They never tried to bring down a bunch of Kryptonians and outright slaughering anyone would go against their character, doesn't mean it would be unrealistic if people of their caliber have shown the capacity to easy brought down one or two Kryptonians in the past.

As for the showings of no name Asgardians, I'm not really a big enough Thor fan to pay attention to that kind of thing so I have absolutely no idea, but if someone like ODG manages to find one or two good feats for no name Asgardians that it'll convince you that Asgardians are above street level and admit the fallacy in play here? I'm also curious as to whether DD losing to those random Kryptonians makes him herald level since the Asgardians seemed to be outnumbered at least 12 to 1

I don't actually have a dog in this race(writers of both big companies turned me off of comics years ago), my efforts are geared more towards helping those involved in moving the debate forward cause I still enjoy reading a well thought out debate regardless of the topic.

Well I guess we'll need some scans of their feats then, as I asked. But I can see you've moved things to 'one or two Kryptonians '.

We've been told, and shown, that they have extreme super speed and super strength. Here is a respect thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t665306.html

The one or two scans from whoever it is you call upon, would have to be pretty extreme and convincing for your comparison to Kryps to work.

I know you didn't say Asgardians were Kryp level - I'm not putting words in your mouth. But if someone posted Batman taking out a Kryp or two, and said they were therefore street (Batman, btw, is a Low Meta, and protected by the aforementioned Bat-Mite as you know, so not quite the same as Daken casually mowing through entire groups), I wouldn't say they were street, as I can easily counter with a fair few scans of random Kryps doing things no street, hell even meta tier characters,do.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't think people called him Jobberseid cause of a single loss to Supes, pretty sure it was a combination of his have issues with Supes a few times, plus Firestorm getting one up on him by redirecting his omega force, plus some GL making him look bad with a shovel construct, plus DS fanboys absolutely losing their shit anytime suggested that anyone in Marvel short Galactus/Odin could even phase the guy.

And don't get me wrong because Odin's got plenty of lows to pull from justify a similar rip on Odin, but the space ants themselves are a weak case to try to make if the victory was specifically attributed to superior numbers and weapons. Cause if their weapons are better than Asgardian weapons than they'd only really be street level if the Asgarians themselves are street level. By the same token, it'd be unfair to say that losing to a GL or Ironman is the same as losing to a street level character since they're just human when they're unarmed.

"How dare you to call Odin Jobberdin for losing to random space ants, those ants have feats!!!!!"

Never change goober.

Originally posted by ODG
Is this supposed to be a serious thread?

The space ant Vrellnexians defeated Odin and Asgard. Doesn't matter if you want to dismiss it as a goofy early 1970s comic. It happened. Off-panel, yes. And declared by an unreliable narrator, yes. But it happened.

If the Vrellenxians defeated Odin and Asgard, they'd roflstomp H/P Doomsday 10/10.

😆

crylaugh

^ What skyfather on Odin's level -- let alone one with the backing of his realm's population -- has H/P Doomsday defeated?

Please, proceed.

Behold the skyfather level space ants/random aliens, wrecked by Thor and Warrior Three.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vyTVP89vHHE/VnpmfXIVxZI/AAAAAAAASEE/Not4Ab1_DKE/s1600-Ic42/RCO016.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-X5MqhgqLzJ8/VnpmfhPEA6I/AAAAAAAASEE/uNcTaZ1SquM/s1600-Ic42/RCO017.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9EtplbJEApY/Vnpmf9tPyXI/AAAAAAAASEE/HqR-1Ha04oA/s1600-Ic42/RCO018.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EZJlxBbut7s/Vnpmf4OqD0I/AAAAAAAASEE/f5X2Ji0imjI/s1600-Ic42/RCO019.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6zpzdCPK73M/VnpmgCx09kI/AAAAAAAASEE/T3H7DWHVVXM/s1600-Ic42/RCO020.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wRC7-c31oL8/VnpmgarHIqI/AAAAAAAASEE/hnSxpVzDNc0/s1600-Ic42/RCO021.jpg

Thor himself gets knocked out by a small stone dropped at his head from a building in the next issue lol.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vdEjJjPaM7U/VnpmnnUXYQI/AAAAAAAASHE/aXGa-Oou0QU/s1600-Ic42/RCO006.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Kvd_hHPnpds/Vnpmn0ZfJGI/AAAAAAAASHE/j858Iv4_mk4/s1600-Ic42/RCO007.jpg

Next you're gonna ask me which herald level stone Doomsday has tanked, right?

I'd laugh if I didn't know you were retarded.

^ Individual groups of space ant Vrellnexians aren't the same as the unnumbered army that assaulted Odin and Asgard off-panel.

You'd understand that if you weren't such a spitefully dishonest little b1tch.

Over fictional comics of all things. But based on you tooting your horn over being the "best KMC poster ever", I suppose this is what you base your self-value on.

So when has H/P Doomsday defeated a skyfather like Odin w/ the backing of his realm's population again?

Originally posted by ODG
^ Individual groups of space ant Vrellnexians aren't the same as the unnumbered army that assaulted Odin and Asgard off-panel.

You'd understand that if you weren't such a spitefully dishonest little b1tch.

Over fictional comics of all things. But based on you tooting your horn over being the "best KMC poster ever", I suppose this is what you base your self-value on.

Read the first panel, if not I can transcript you the words as well.

^ I read the first panel of your obnoxiously over-sized scan. And it changes nothing of what I said. Unless you're trying to suggest that the space ant Vrellnexians that assaulted Odin and Asgard suffered absolutely no casualties and, therefore, that same collective group of space ant Vrellnexians were defeated by Thor and the Warriors Three later.

In which case, did you not read the actual comics? Here, your favorite scan ever. The space ant Vrellnexians clearly suffered casualties despite overcoming Odin and Asgard:

No, not a single KMCer doubts you read the comic. You probably masturbate over it every other day. So why do you try and twist plainly obvious on-panel facts? Especially in this day and age where it is very easy to fact-check blatant liars like yourself?

Only you can answer that. Although, I have a pretty good guess.kinda

Originally posted by ODG
So when has H/P Doomsday defeated a skyfather like Odin w/ the backing of his realm's population again?

Originally posted by ODG
^ I read the first panel of your obnoxiously over-sized scan. And it changes nothing of what I said. Unless you're trying to suggest that the space ant Vrellnexians that assaulted Odin and Asgard suffered absolutely no casualties and, therefore, that same collective group of space ant Vrellnexians were defeated by Thor and the Warriors Three later.

In which case, did you not read the actual comics? Here, your favorite scan ever. The space ant Vrellnexians clearly suffered casualties despite overcoming Odin and Asgard:

No, not a single KMCer doubts you read the comic. You probably masturbate over it every other day. So why do you try and twist plainly obvious on-panel facts? Especially in this day and age where it is very easy to fact-check blatant liars like yourself?

Only you can answer that. Although, I have a pretty good guess.kinda

And official handbook confirms their weapons are moderately advanced only, nothing too fancy.

^ Nobody on KMC cares about handbooks unless they're desperate to avoid the events that occur within the four corners of the actual comics pages.

But you clearly haven't thought this through. You're somehow fine with the fact that there were 6.4 billions Vrellnexians? Yet, somehow, that number didn't appreciably deplete during the assault on Odin and Asgard? No, that number wasn't diminished at all and were only defeated by Thor and the Warriors Three?

Based on what? Your unreasonable bias? Your obvious prejudice? N1gga please. Thor and the Warriors Three did not defeat billions of Vrellnexians. Thor's escapades were closely followed on-panel during the entire storyline. They fought individual groups of Vrellnexians, at best. Indeed, they fought more Ssssth than Vrellnexians which ended up being the narrative twist in the story. So if there were billions of Vrellnexians, they could have only been involved in the off-panel assault against Odin and Asgard. In which case, it makes far more sense that the billions were defeated by them, not Thor and the Warriors Three.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Alright, since you want to go it at so badly, I'll bite. Darkseid, there you go.

Secondly, H/P Doomsday did not fight the realm of Apokolips along w/ Darkseid.

Now I'm sure you will try and argue that the Darkseid that appeared during Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey is some singular multiversal entity. But reverse-inflating the actual Darkseid that was three-pieced by H/P Doomsday won't be a winning strategy. Go ahead. I'll dismantle such a claim.

I understand that your resentment cannot be helped. Well... here I am ready and welcome to carry it along to its inevitable conclusion. It's what you've been begging for after all for 10+ years, right?

Originally posted by ODG
^ Nobody on KMC cares about handbooks unless they're desperate to avoid the events that occur within the four corners of the actual comics pages.

You don't care about handbooks.

But you clearly haven't thought this through. You're somehow fine with the fact that there were 6.4 billions Vrellnexians? Yet, somehow, that number didn't appreciably deplete during the assault on Odin and Asgard? No, that number wasn't diminished at all and were only defeated by Thor and the Warriors Three?

And you don't care about comics as well when they outright state that Thor defeated the entire race.

So, now what? I just take your words now, huh?

Based on what? Your unreasonable bias? Your obvious prejudice? N1gga please. Thor and the Warriors Three did not defeat billions of Vrellnexians. Thor's escapades were closely followed on-panel during the entire storyline. They fought individual groups of Vrellnexians, at best. Indeed, they fought more Ssssth than Vrellnexians which ended up being the narrative twist in the story. So if there were billions of Vrellnexians, they could have only been involved in the off-panel assault against Odin and Asgard. In which case, it makes far more sense that the billions were defeated by them, not Thor and the Warriors Three. Firstly, that Darkseid does not possess the level of feats that Odin had.

So, the proof of all this? I'll love to see scans.

Secondly, H/P Doomsday did not fight the realm of Apokolips along w/ Darkseid.

Yeah, random Asgardians/Apokoliptians are the main factor here lol.

Now I'm sure you will try and argue that the Darkseid that appeared during Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey is some singular multiversal entity. But reverse-inflating the actual Darkseid that was three-pieced by H/P Doomsday won't be a winning strategy. Go ahead. I'll dismantle such a claim.

I'll make no such claims lol. Darkseid/Highfather can match or exceed any feat Odin in his entire career (forget till Thor 212) has even before Final Crisis. Go ahead and try me.

I understand that your resentment cannot be helped. Well... here I am ready and welcome to carry it along to its inevitable conclusion. It's what you've been begging for after all for 10+ years, right?

Resentment? You're just another poster dude, I'll thrash you and move on.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You don't care about handbooks.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And you don't care about comics as well when they outright state that Thor defeated the entire race.

So, now what? I just take your words now, huh?

So, the proof of all this? I'll love to see scans.

I read the comics where Thor and the Warriors Three gallivanted around thrashing Vrellnexians and Ssssth trying to liberate the imprisoned/poisoned Odin and Asgardians. Dem Vrellnexians Thor fought weren't numbered in billions, pal.

Bruh, nobody has read these particular Thor issues more than you. So stop pretending. It's so utterly b1tchmade. I'm not going to prove the negative. If you want to pretend that Thor and the Warriors Three defeated billions of Vrellnexians, by all means, try and prove that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'll make no such claims lol. Darkseid/Highfather can match or exceed any feat Odin in his entire career (forget till Thor 212) has even before Final Crisis. Go ahead and try me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Resentment? You're just another poster dude, I'll thrash you and move on.

Originally posted by ODG
KMC doesn't care about handbooks. I am not special in this regard.

Which rule mandates that?

*Clarification on the use of Handbooks*
Handbook entries can be used as supplementary evidence, but not contradictory evidence. That is to say: what is printed in the comics themselves always takes absolute precedence. If a Handbook entry at all contradicts what is shown/stated on panel, then it is inadmissible.

There's nothing contradictory in the handbook from the comic, ergo they're perfectly admissible.

"The entire race"? Ok, I can sorta accept that Thor and the Warriors Three defeated what was left of "the entire race" of Vrellnexians after they had exhausted their billions against Odin and Asgard?

Now you just have to prove that Asgardians killed billions of the space ants, I'll love to see the scan. I'll even take a handbook.

I read the comics where Thor and the Warriors Three gallivanted around thrashing Vrellnexians and Ssssth trying to liberate the imprisoned/poisoned Odin and Asgardians. Dem Vrellnexians Thor fought weren't numbered in billions, pal.

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. They defeated the ants off panel.

Bruh, nobody has read these particular Thor issues more than you. So stop pretending. It's so utterly b1tchmade. I'm not going to prove the negative. If you want to pretend that Thor and the Warriors Three defeated billions of Vrellnexians, by all means, try and prove that. I'm too drunk to even care about this seemingly arbitrary limitation about Thor 212???

Does you moving on involve 10+ years of chasing me after being put on ignore? 😂

Chasing you? Lmao, I was simply posting on your stupid posts in live threads. It's not like I was going through your post history and commenting on it days or years later lol.

You're simply stupid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Now you just have to prove that Asgardians killed billions of the space ants, I'll love to see the scan. I'll even take a handbook.

So post the panels where Thor and the Warriors Three vanquished billions of Vrellnexians. Don't be such a deceptive little b1tch. You and I both know that if I took on the burden of disproving the negative, I'd have to post dozens of pages of scans over several issues.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They defeated the ants off panel.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Chasing you?

Originally posted by ODG
Don't be a schmuck. You were the one who argued that Thor and the Warriors Three vanquished the entire billions+ worth of Vrellnexians in an attempt to lowball Odin and Asgard's battle with the Vrellnexians.

Heaven forbid!!!! I, lowball Thor and Odin? Never.

I simply posted the scan where it said the space ants numbered in billion after you claimed most were killed by Asgardians. I never said Asgardians killed billions.

So post the panels where Thor and the Warriors Three vanquished billions of Vrellnexians. Don't be such a deceptive little b1tch. You and I both know that if I took on the burden of disproving the negative, I'd have to post dozens of pages of scans over several issues. An unextraordinary statement of logic. Oh, but Odin and Asgard didn't defeat an army of Vrellnexians off-panel?

Phucking Christ, you're stupid. Yes, for 10+ years. Now that I've deigned to stand before you, I am sure you're joyful. Let's see if that lasts a day, let alone a week.

Stand before me? Lol, lmao even.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heaven forbid!!!! I, lowball Thor and Odin?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I simply posted

As I said before, leave it to your betters. 👆