Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't think people called him Jobberseid cause of a single loss to Supes, pretty sure it was a combination of his have issues with Supes a few times...
I can reconcile this point. Both Marvel fanboys and DS fanboys typically underestimate how powerful Superman actually is.
^ Darkseid fanboys underestimate Superman's power? Scaling off of Superman forms like 90% of this forum's estimation of Darkseid, bruh.
Originally posted by abhilegendSo he revived Heimdall from near death and this disproves the several times Odin has resurrected people? Let alone the billion billion beings that originally comprised Mangog? This character statement by Odin does not eliminate his previous feats of on-panel resurrection.
The delusions are staggering. Anyway as you scurried away from King Thor stuff, here's Odin himself confirming in Thor 456 that he can't give life or extend it.Now what nigga?
Originally posted by abhilegendSmurph is mah senpai, bro.
You're fighting for Smurph now? Who's a good little cheerleader, yes you are.
Originally posted by abhilegendYes I did. But after re-engaging you after a decade I am beginning to realize what wretched depths you were reduced to by everybody else on KMC. The years have not been kind to you, bruh.
You were randomly accusing people of being my sock after a decade, nigga please.
You are strongly proving to be far and away more deranged and retarded than qwertyuiop1998. 👆
Originally posted by abhilegendMarnot ain't Odin. He's a raven of Odin's. Not even one of the famous ones like Hugin and Munin. And there he is threatening Hela's grasp over Thor's soul of all things. A limitation you previously tried to hold against Odin.
Another example, Marnot who was infused with the full power of Odin admits resurrection is beyond his capability.https://postimg.cc/9rwFQgrY
https://postimg.cc/mz48tnLzThor v2 2/13.
But before dissecting that self-wrought ouroboros of phail, why exactly should Marnot's character statements be held against Odin himself? I mean... Odinforce Thor actually resurrected Odin from death in Thor #618:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Odinpower04.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Odinpower05.jpg
Originally posted by abhigogThere might've been an argument that Odin was powerless before Hela's dominion over Asgardian souls. That is until you yourself posted Marnot denying Hela's grasp over Thor when the Destroyer outright killed Thor. And that is if you somehow ignored the scan I previously posted where Odin resurrected Hela herself after she died.
Odin can't even resurrect an Asgardian if Hela has claimed them.Thor 275.
There might've been an argument.
The better argument to reconcile these comics is that Odin is not meant to deny Hela's rightful dominion over certain Asgardian souls. Hela, along with the realm of Valhalla proper, serves cherished functions that define the Asgardian mythology/hierarchy.
So Odin's statement might be less about his inability and more about his respecting their proper roles.
To me, that's the better argument because it resolves the seeming contradiction in scenes you desperately relied on in a one-sided manner. Your argument cannot reconcile anything. But you're not trying to reconcile anything in good faith. You're just posting old scans with arbitrary interpretations. Which, I mean, we could readily dismiss given there are more recent scans that reverse course.
But see, the clear difference between you and I is that I accept their entire on-panel history as a whole and am willing to offer possible logical reconciliation. Whereas you are just cherrypicking decades old scans that you apparently saved from years of slavishly butthurt research.
Is this what your self-declared superior knowledge of Thor over me amounts to?Supposed golden nuggets of comics minutiae you've discovered out of sheer obsessive spite without (i) bothering to interpret them in the fullest context of a character's entire history, or (ii) recognizing how outdated they are by current comics?
All this wasted butthurt over trying to save your self-inflicted comparison of the resurrection abilities of Darkseid vs. Odin. Honestly couldn't have possibly picked a worse comparison given their on-panel histories. Keep digging, you unfailing schmuck.
Originally posted by ODG
^ Darkseid fanboys underestimate Superman's power? Scaling off of Superman forms like 90% of this forum's estimation of Darkseid, bruh.
I think a majority of them would categorize a Darkseid loss to Superman as "jobbing" or a low showing, which sort of proves my point. As opposed to rightfully suggesting Superman is on his level (or perhaps a bit above).
Originally posted by JuntaiBy all means, I'm more than happy to discuss this with you rather than abhigog because you aren't impossibly biased/butthurt. At this point, even giving abhigog's scans full faith and credit, he's comparing character statements of "resurrection inability" vs character feats of "actual resurrection".
Seems conclusive that he can’t.On another note, did anyone read the latest immortal Thor? That was bonkers.
Bruh, my jaw dropped. Odinforce Thor absorbing/stripping Zeus of all of his power? That was not what I expected at all. I have no idea where Al Ewing is going with Odinforce Thor.
But one thing I noticed was Ewing's use of the "Turning Wheel" motif. I don't know if it's happy coincidence or Al Ewing pruposefully doing a callback to a throw-away line but look at this from Thor vol.3 #7 by J Michael Straczynski:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Odin03.jpg
And this "Turning Wheel" motif literally underpins his entire Immortal Thor run:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor00.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor01.jpg
Originally posted by ODGI have a good chunk of the issues of the JMS issues in a long box somewhere. I may start grabbing some of Thors Omnis but I have a handful of Batman ones in line ahead of that I’m intending to grab and the 90s Superman one about to come out, then they just announced some more good collections. Both companies are really hitting the market hard with all good collections of my era of comics.
By all means, I'm more than happy to discuss this with you rather than abhigog because you aren't impossibly biased/butthurt. At this point, even giving abhigog's scans full faith and credit, he's comparing character statements of "resurrection inability" vs character feats of "actual resurrection".Bruh, my jaw dropped. Odinforce Thor absorbing/stripping Zeus of all of his power? That was not what I expected at all. I have no idea where Al Ewing is going with Odinforce Thor.
But one thing I noticed was Ewing's use of the "Turning Wheel" motif. I don't know if it's happy coincidence or Al Ewing pruposefully doing a callback to a throw-away line but look at this from Thor vol.3 #7 by J Michael Straczynski:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Odin03.jpgAnd this "Turning Wheel" motif literally underpins his entire Immortal Thor run:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor00.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor01.jpg
I like everything I’ve read from Ewing. I’m really excited where this is going, and particularly excited to see what he does with Green Lantern coming up.
Originally posted by ODG
^ Darkseid fanboys underestimate Superman's power? Scaling off of Superman forms like 90% of this forum's estimation of Darkseid, bruh. So he revived Heimdall from near death and this disproves the several times Odin has resurrected people? Let alone the billion billion beings that originally comprised Mangog? This character statement by Odin does not eliminate his previous feats of on-panel resurrection. .
Dude went from not accepting handbooks then not accepting statements from King Thor to not even accepting outright statements from Odin himself in comics.
Nothing can be done to cure delusions of this level.
Yes I did. But after re-engaging you after a decade I am beginning to realize what wretched depths you were reduced to by everybody else on KMC. The years have not been kind to you, bruh.
😂
I'm beating your ass in the discussion regarding your favorite character, I'm doing great.
You are strongly proving to be far and away more deranged and retarded than qwertyuiop1998. 👆
😆
Were you always this retarded, I don't think I have seen this level of delusion even in quanchi.
Originally posted by ODG
Marnot ain't Odin. He's a raven of Odin's. Not even one of the famous ones like Hugin and Munin. And there he is threatening Hela's grasp over Thor's soul of all things. A limitation you previously tried to hold against Odin.
He was able to do that because Thor wasn't totally dead, he had a spark of life.
But before dissecting that self-wrought ouroboros of phail, why exactly should Marnot's character statements be held against Odin himself? I mean... Odinforce Thor actually resurrected Odin from death in Thor #618:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Odinpower04.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Odinpower05.jpg
Odin was in Valhalla, not in Hel which is Hela's domain. I thought you were a Thor fan lol.
But I guess now Odinforce Thor's feats can be transferred to Odin, huh?
Originally posted by ODG
There might've been an argument that Odin was powerless before Hela's dominion over Asgardian souls. That is until you yourself posted Marnot denying Hela's grasp over Thor when the Destroyer outright killed Thor.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pZJW2iap5iE/VntSbkMytWI/AAAAAAAAhFo/BQ6mApfl0mg/s1600-Ic42/RCO013.jpg
Are you sure you are a Thor fan?
And that is if you somehow ignored the scan I previously posted where Odin resurrected Hela herself after she died.
Retconned away by Thor 275.
There might've been an argument.
The better argument to reconcile these comics is that Odin is not meant to deny Hela's rightful dominion over certain Asgardian souls. Hela, along with the realm of Valhalla proper, serves cherished functions that define the Asgardian mythology/hierarchy.
So Odin's statement might be less about his inability and more about his respecting their proper roles.
Hahahahahaha, denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
To me, that's the better argument because it resolves the seeming contradiction in scenes you desperately relied on in a one-sided manner. Your argument cannot reconcile anything. But you're not trying to reconcile anything in good faith. You're just posting old scans with arbitrary interpretations. Which, I mean, we could readily dismiss given there are more recent scans that reverse course.
But see, the clear difference between you and I is that I accept their entire on-panel history as a whole and am willing to offer possible logical reconciliation. Whereas you are just cherrypicking decades old scans that you apparently saved from years of slavishly butthurt research.
Lol, lmao even. Dude is posting stuff from 60s (Incredible Hulk 102) and complaining about me posting decades old stuff.
Is this what your self-declared superior knowledge of Thor over me amounts to?Supposed golden nuggets of comics minutiae you've discovered out of sheer obsessive spite without [b](i) bothering to interpret them in the fullest context of a character's entire history, or (ii) recognizing how outdated they are by current comics?
Well at least you accepted that I have superior knowledge of Thor compared to you. That's progress I guess.
All this wasted butthurt over trying to save your self-inflicted comparison of the resurrection abilities of Darkseid vs. Odin. Honestly couldn't have possibly picked a worse comparison given their on-panel histories. Keep digging, you unfailing schmuck. [/B]
Yes, I will. Let's see how many comic scans you can pretend don't exist or simply Odin being respectful.
Take the L after L bozo.
^ Are you still here?
Originally posted by abhigogI accept them for whatever probative value they present on their face. But even then, none of them override clear on-panel feats.
Dude went from not accepting handbooks then not accepting statements from King Thor to not even accepting outright statements from Odin himself in comics.
Originally posted by abhigogOh have we reached the stage where you just abjectly flame me in the hopes of getting mods to shut this discussion down because you have nothing further to constructively offer? How predictable.
Nothing can be done to cure delusions of this level.I'm beating your ass in the discussion regarding your favorite character, I'm doing great.
Were you always this retarded, I don't think I have seen this level of delusion even in quanchi.
Originally posted by abhigogOh, this is true.
He was able to do that because Thor wasn't totally dead, he had a spark of life.
Originally posted by abhigogOdin was not in Valhalla. Beings like Surtur and the Hellhound don't dwell in Valhalla. Also, Valhalla is a much nicer place than the burnt wasteland desolation Odin had been confined to.
Odin was in Valhalla, not in Hel which is Hela's domain. I thought you were a Thor fan lol.
Originally posted by abhigogWhat an oafish strawman. You were the one trying to project King Thor and Odinforce Thor's self-declared limitations onto Odin. Now you're confronted by on-panel Odinforce feats that show such self-declarations proved false. It's as simple as that.
But I guess now Odinforce Thor's feats can be transferred to Odin, huh?
Originally posted by abhigogRepeating a thoroughly deconstructed myth isn't a winning strategy. Nor does a contrived discrepancy between a character statement and a clear on-panel feat serve as a "retcon".
Retconned away by Thor 275.
Had Odin perhaps said, "Once in the past, I thought I had killed Hela and restored her to life but that actually never happened!" Yeah, maybe. But he didn't say that. Nor really anything close to what you're suggesting.
Odin is not meant to deny Hela's rightful dominion over certain Asgardian souls. They have their roles reserved for their reappearance during Ragnarok. It's literally a core foundation of Norse mythology reinforced several times by Marvel's take on it.
But your indiscriminate bastardization over the term "retcon" is so damningly hypocritical. Aren't you among the sobbing trolls that cry that DC's massively famous retcons don't apply to certain history or were completely undone by random allusions? DC's most famous retcons are so easily handwaved away, it seems.
Yet you twist completely innocuous Marvel scenes as though they were also complete retcons of on-panel Marvel history. And then you won't even countenance subsequent on-panel feats that completely upend any laughable notion that such a "retcon" existed in the first place. What happened to your casual attitude towards retcons? Oh, wait.
Both your motivations and resentment are so transparent. You are constitutionally incapable of discussing anything in good faith. You just obsessively pore through old comic books for little nuggets of comic minutiae that you can twist around to denigrate Marvel characters.
You are the figurative literal KMC troll mining caverns for fool's gold. Which wouldn't be half as offensive if you didn't waddle into every vs thread trying to peddle it for fake e-rep points with your obnoxious schtick.
Originally posted by ODG
^ Are you still here? I accept them for whatever probative value they present on their face. But even then, none of them override clear on-panel feats.
So just like everything else, you only accept what's convenient for you.
Oh have we reached the stage where you just abjectly flame me in the hopes of getting mods to shut this discussion down because you have nothing further to constructively offer?
[quote] Oh, this is true.
Hahahahahaha, such a timid way to accepting defeat.
Odin was not in Valhalla. Beings like Surtur and the Hellhound don't dwell in Valhalla. Also, Valhalla is a much nicer place than the burnt wasteland desolation Odin had been confined to.
What a strawman, wherever he was it wasn't under domain of Hela.
What an oafish strawman. You were the one trying to project King Thor and Odinforce Thor's self-declared limitations onto Odin.
And now you're trying to project Odinforce Thor's feats on Odin once I proved Odin has the same limitations lol.
Now you're confronted by on-panel Odinforce feats that show such self-declarations proved false. It's as simple as that.
You proved nothing biatch.
Originally posted by ODG
Repeating a thoroughly deconstructed myth isn't a winning strategy. Nor does a contrived discrepancy between a character statement and a clear on-panel feat serve as a "retcon". [Had Odin perhaps said, "Once in the past, I thought I had killed Hela and restored her to life but that actually never happened!" Yeah, maybe. But he didn't say that. Nor really anything close to what you're suggesting.
Odin is not meant to deny Hela's rightful dominion over certain Asgardian souls. They have their roles reserved for their reappearance during Ragnarok. It's literally a core foundation of Norse mythology reinforced several times by Marvel's take on it.
Thor 275 clearly established Odin can't resurrect an Asgardian once he's under the control of Hela. It retcons any previous depictions of Odin killing and resurrecting Hela herself. Take it with marvel, I don't publish these comics.
But your indiscriminate bastardization over the term "retcon" is so damningly hypocritical. Aren't you among the sobbing trolls that cry that DC's massively famous retcons don't apply to certain history or were completely undone by random allusions? DC's most famous retcons are so easily handwaved away, it seems.
"Leave poor marvel comics alone, why don't you do the same to DC".
Yet you twist completely innocuous Marvel scenes as though they were also complete retcons of on-panel Marvel history. And then you won't even countenance subsequent on-panel feats that completely upend any laughable notion that such a "retcon" existed in the first place. What happened to your casual attitude towards retcons? Oh, wait.
Both your motivations and resentment are so transparent. You are constitutionally incapable of discussing anything in good faith. You just obsessively pore through old comic books for little nuggets of comic minutiae that you can twist around to denigrate Marvel characters.
You are the
figurativeliteral KMC troll mining caverns for fool's gold. Which wouldn't be half as offensive if you didn't waddle into every vs thread trying to peddle it for fake e-rep points with your obnoxious schtick.
crylaugh
Are you done with the poor, victimised marvel fan routine? Because this is just sad.
