does no one else actually see a difference between superman's "dynamic strength" and hulk's....? i'm not arguing that superman has displayed times where is strength is 'dynamic' in the strictest sense of the term. i've always said he has a type of dynamic strength. but i would agree with odg 100% when he says that hulk's strength is dynamic in a way superman's is not.
Originally posted by leonidas
does no one else actually see a difference between superman's "dynamic strength" and hulk's....? i'm not arguing that superman has displayed times where is strength is 'dynamic' in the strictest sense of the term. i've always said he has a type of dynamic strength. but i would agree with odg 100% when he says that hulk's strength is dynamic in a way superman's is not.
Don't think anyone's arguing that, Leo, lol. This is why I like stopping arguments every so often and people reiterating what their original points are, instead of just reacting to the latest post.
Originally posted by leonidas
does no one else actually see a difference between superman's "dynamic strength" and hulk's....? i'm not arguing that superman has displayed times where is strength is 'dynamic' in the strictest sense of the term. i've always said he has a type of dynamic strength. but i would agree with odg 100% when he says that hulk's strength is dynamic in a way superman's is not.
Originally posted by ODGOh, Superman achieved the "heretofore thought impossible feat of [insert xxxxxx]"? Wow! No other superhero in comics ever does things like that! Like Thor never absorbed the Godbomb! Like Wonder Woman never shredded the Lasso of Lies! Like Silver Surfer never stalled the Griever at the End of All Things for 16+ minutes! Like Doctor Light never absorbed the DC Multiverse's Light from within the Orrery of Worlds!
How are these even close to Superman's dynamic strength, you absolute retard? Superman beat Doomsday to death in a few punches after struggling to even hurt him for several issues AND Doomsday getting stronger throughout the fight. It'll be like Thor beating Hulk to death after struggling to even hurt him.
yeah i lost track of the arguments lol i don't think it's exactly like every other hero, but it's certainly more plot device than hulk's. i do think there has been on panel explanations for his strength increases though. i'm sure i recall reading some narration, or a discussion in comic about his variable strength. the way his ability to metabolize energy changes at certain times. his own self imposed mental blocks have clearly been referenced in many cases as well. i don't think his strength is heart force in the same sense that spidey's are, or ben's. the sheer frequency along with the attempted explanations would suggest it's more than that. i get where odg is coming from though. he really seems able to be as strong as is needed. the very definition of plot device. superman is the hardest character in comics to place in a vs match.
Originally posted by leonidas
yeah i lost track of the arguments lol i don't think it's exactly like every other hero, but it's certainly more plot device than hulk's. i do think there has been on panel explanations for his strength increases though. i'm sure i recall reading some narration, or a discussion in comic about his variable strength. the way his ability to metabolize energy changes at certain times.
Originally posted by Galan007
Originally posted by DiesldudeI have been here amongst you the entire time, trying to bring Superman closer to his actual on-panel depictions.
C’mon ODG, join us in the House of El.
Somehow, pointing out any on-panel instance that depicts him below trans/skyfather/abstract level renders me a hater.
I don't hate Superman. Despite what Juntai or Diesldude might think. I don't hate Thanos. Despite what quanchi112 or InsaneTitan thought. I don't hate Darkseid despite what -K-M- or Tricksterpriest thought. I don't hate Phoenix despite what Galacticstorm or -Id- thought. I don't hate Green Lanterns despite what Philophia or Blair Wind thought. I don't hate Wolverine despite what jinzin and srankmissingnin thought.
What I will do... is give the middle finger to anybody who tries to elevate any of these characters far beyond the scope they've been portrayed on-panel.
Originally posted by abhilegendGoddamn you are biased, illiterate and stupid.
ODG is arguing that Superman's dynamic strength is like every other Superhero. Which is demonstrably false.
Do us all a favor. Please continue announcing what I am arguing.
So I can remedy your misconception and slap you down like the worthless tw@t you are.
Originally posted by ODG
Goddamn you are biased, illiterate and stupid.Do us all a favor. Please continue announcing what I am arguing.
So I can remedy your misconception and slap you down like the worthless tw@t you are.
Get fcked retard.
Originally posted by ODGI'm always down for a good comic conversation. I don't really get flustered with anyone or anything here. I'm too old now. lol.
I have been here amongst you the entire time, trying to bring Superman closer to his actual on-panel depictions.Somehow, pointing out any on-panel instance that depicts him below trans/skyfather/abstract level renders me a hater.
I don't hate Superman. Despite what Juntai or Diesldude might think. I don't hate Thanos. Despite what quanchi112 or InsaneTitan thought. I don't hate Darkseid despite what -K-M- or Tricksterpriest thought. I don't hate Phoenix despite what Galacticstorm or -Id- thought. I don't hate Green Lanterns despite what Philophia or Blair Wind thought. I don't hate Wolverine despite what jinzin and srankmissingnin thought.
What I will do... is give the middle finger to anybody who tries to elevate any of these characters far beyond the scope they've been portrayed on-panel.
I'm with Abhi on this one, though.
And I don't think you hate Superman, but you definitely try to go at the kryptonians as often as you can, and do your best to try to make some rather insignificant point with some sort of pipe dream that it's going to topple down like a house of cards. But it completely ignores the meat of the conversation.
See, someone like a Surfer/Hulk/Thor or similar can give Superman problems in a random issue, sure, he can underestimate people or the level he needs to maintain his power at, he can be outplanned, and he can be downed. It happens.
But, a lot of the extreme highs of these characters, their great, once in a generation rise to the occasion moment, is just regular shit to Superman, and then his 'rise to the occasion' is in a completely different realm.
Like Superman in a random issue will have a group of enemy herald level threats shows up, and he just one shots the entire group one a time, one panel each at superspeed.
In another Odin and Zeus come to him and say, hey, the evil gods of a bunch of pantheons are teaming up to try to take us down, can you give us a hand?
And he beats them all by spinning in a circle real fast.
These aren't his rise to the occasion stories.
These are one shots.
A Superman rising to the occasion moment, while nearly dead and powerless, he flies through a star[s], breaks all the laws of physics, his flight can be felt across all creation, and then one shots the creator of the multiverse in his native dimension.
Youre like oh Surfer fought good against the Greiver at the End, see he rises to the occasion too! all the heros do it!
Sure, because he was too small and insignificant for her to use the full breadth of her powers against. 'Like trying to destroy a microorganism by hand.'
and then what happened? He lost.
He fights Thanos about a dozen times or more. How did those go?
He fights Odin WHILE Thanos is fighting Odin, and what happened?
How did he do against Tyrant?
Basically everyone outside of his power class just crushes him, and shit, a lot of the people in it too.
And I think we both know what happens if Superman is inserted into these same stories, whether one of us wants to admit it or not.
Originally posted by abhilegendI cited examples such as Thor absorbing the Godbomb and Wonder Woman shredding the Lasso of Lies. You're been obsessed for years following me around when you've been ignored. Stop pretending you aren't sniffing after every single post I make whilst you're unignored now.
As usual, you don't have any such examples for Thor, Wonder Woman etc.Get fcked retard.
It ain't working out for you, all things considered. But you've got no excuses to pretend that you don't see my posts now, you incomparable b1tch.
Originally posted by JuntaiSame.
I'm always down for a good comic conversation. I don't really get flustered with anyone or anything here. I'm too old now. lol.
Originally posted by JuntaiWelp, that just basically undermined every single thing you might post from hereon forward. But, I'll set aside any attempt at poisoning the well.
I'm with Abhi on this one, though.
Originally posted by JuntaiI believe I go after KMC posters who try to distort on-panel facts and on-panel depictions of characters, including Kryptonians. Because, well, nobody should be excluded. It's the same exact approach I take for all the KMC fanboys who misrepresent, distort and mythologize comic characters to the point whereit offends my sensibilities.
And I don't think you hate Superman, but you definitely try to go at the kryptonians as often as you can, and do your best to try to make some rather insignificant point with some sort of pipe dream that it's going to topple down like a house of cards. But it completely ignores the meat of the conversation.
Originally posted by JuntaiI read your post with interest up to about here. You drunk on your own koolaid.
See, someone like a Surfer/Hulk/Thor or similar can give Superman problems in a random issue, sure, he can underestimate people or the level he needs to maintain his power at, he can be outplanned, and he can be downed. It happens.But, a lot of the extreme highs of these characters, their great, once in a generation rise to the occasion moment, is just regular shit to Superman, and then his 'rise to the occasion' is in a completely different realm.
Read more comics, mang. Comic superheroes who leap and bound far beyond what was normally portrayed? That happens every month.
I say this to you directly with all due respect, sincerity and courtesy, Juntai: you disagree with that, get your head out of your phucking a$$.
Anyway, that is my olive branch to you.
Wait.. wut? An insult like that? Well... yes, actually.
Because it appears to be just abject flaming of you. Which, if you or the mods choose to do so, may just shut down any continuing conversation.
And that would spare you the withering deconstruction that may ensue.
At the very least, it would spare me from entertaining such utter horsesh1t. You are honestly approaching if, not exceeding, the bounds of inanity of Wolverithmetics with this "Superman = Hope" bullsh1t.
We're talking about KMC vs hypotheticals. None of that theorycrafting even matters! Or are you just too butthurt to admit that New Genesis as a whole would literally beat Superman in a hypothetical KMC vs scenario?
Because that's what this seems to be about. The butthurt. Not the actual OP scenario. The myths. Not the comics.
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk fights a team of Heralds all of the time, routinely and stomps them most of the time. He does this on more occasions than Superman, so mentioning Suoerman taking on Heralds and saying it puts him above characters like Hulk who does this almost every week is laughable.