I mean Ben Grimm and Colossus are literally just one tier or so down from people who both break planets and have survived far worse and are continuously shown to hang with, or in Things case actually beat the heavy hitters, so I don't see why a little city busting explosion is gonna kill them.
A human sized object is only going to take like .000001% of the force of a massive omnidirectional explosion.
Originally posted by carver9
Show me.Also, Firelord was about to destroy a city and Spiderman knew it would kill him. He's not withstanding that kind of power.
Everyone has high low PIS showings.
Your thread didn't ask for that though.
Iron man's feat is on his respect thread, or you can read Iron Man Director of Shield #31 and #32.
Wolverine and Spidey knew that his neck could be broken. Yet you don't seem to accept that.
Originally posted by carver9
I dont think Hulk hits Thing with the intent to kill. So the answer is no.
Galactus was hitting Thing with a planetary scale attack. So the answer is yes.
Originally posted by carver9
Looking at the video, the blast dwarfed a number of mountains.
The size, particularly the vertical size, of an energy blast is irrelevant to its destructive power.
A blast's destructive power should be determined by the duration and extent to which it destroys an object of known durability.
I believe you are equating the size of the blast with its destructive potential if all that energy were concentrated to the size of a humanoid. For example, sunlight can be focused through a magnifying lens to create a smaller, more destructive beam of light.
So context:
Paladin had just taken out Tony's armour, and he was at 2% power:
He rebooted, got back up to 38% power:
Then flies around, fighting bad guys, the usual Iron Man stuff. Goes after the bad guy, whilst at the same time the Helicarrier had been hacked. The Helicarrier:
Note the third panel. Full N-B-C complement on board - nuclear/biological/chemical weapons, including 4 nukes.
Tony flies to the bad guy (remember he started at 38%, so is probably around 30% at this time). They crash the helicarrier into the bad guy:
He takes it - note how he specifically says his armour protects him from the blast:
He needs to be helped on board, but was still conscious:
TL;DR: Tony at 30% took an entire Helicarrier PLUS its weaponry (including 4 nukes) and was still walking after. Aided walking, sure, but a single nuke (like in OP) and at 100%? He'd survive that, and would still be awake and functioning afterwards. No gimmicks, pure armour.
So High Meta level.
Here Professor Hulk and Thing get hit by a nuke point blank, and don't even notice it:
https://i.imgur.com/UrUd64Z.jpeg
So High Meta tier seems about right.
Originally posted by carver9
This blast is obviously bigger than a Nuke.
Collateral damage?
Also, remember Iron Man's feat. He took on Four nukes, PLUS a Helicarrier, plus the other weapons, whilst not at full power. If you want to argue collateral damage, a Helicarrier has knocked out a trans level being before - they're powerful.
Originally posted by carver9
Not just collateral damage. It melted everything in its vicinity which gives us an indication on how powerful the attack was. When did Ironman tank four nukes?
Lol you are literally using collateral damage, by looking at the vicinity.
Literally posted the scans above. At 30 ish % power.
Originally posted by carver9
It doesn't look like Tony was at the center of the nuclear explosion.
He was also at 30%, and there were 4 nukes, and a Helicarrier (which takes Sentry out on its own), and chemical/biological weapons (plus normal weapons).
So being at the centre of one nuke, when at full capacity, would be fine for him.
Debating collateral damage in DB is pointless.
For example, Piccolo tried to kill Raditz with one of his most powerful attacks, and it caused virtually no collateral damage at all:
https://ibb.co/ns40YbX
https://ibb.co/R6C3W5X
https://ibb.co/2s6hDCh
Fast-forward a few days in the story, and Piccolo used [what appears to be] the same type of blast to vape the moon:
https://ibb.co/X3Hx8LS
https://ibb.co/qRty6qR
So we might be able to assume that Raditz tanked something akin to a moon-buster, collateral damage be damned.
In other words, the size of the attack...and the collateral damage it causes...is never a good measuring stick to use(especially in this medium.) These are characters who have a very precise/refined degree of control over their ki, and can effectively condense their energy attack(s) into a very small area in order to avoid excessive collateral damage, yet still retain the attack's full potency. If collateral damage were the end-all/be-all, then a few characters from OG DB/DBZ would still be among the franchise's elite... But that just ain't how it works.
That being said, King Piccolo's Demon Wave(*see carv's clip*) might have 'only' appeared nuke-like from a collateral standpoint, but it's also possible that it packed much more of a wallop than that. After all, his power-level was considerably above Roshi's, and Roshi was already a moon-buster back then. Just food for thought.
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If you just watch carv's clip, then the attack looks nuke-level(Brit would get my vote on that one, btw)... But if we assume that the potency behind said attack could have been in the moon-busting tier(which is possible, given how scaling works in DB), then the list of characters who can outright tank it shortens quite a bit.
Originally posted by Galan007
Debating collateral damage in DB is pointless.For example, Piccolo tried to kill Raditz with one of his most powerful attacks, and it caused virtually no collateral damage at all:
https://ibb.co/ns40YbX
https://ibb.co/R6C3W5X
https://ibb.co/2s6hDChFast-forward a few days in the story, and Piccolo used [what appears to be] the same type of blast to vape the moon:
https://ibb.co/X3Hx8LS
https://ibb.co/qRty6qRSo we might be able to assume that Raditz tanked something akin to a moon-buster, collateral damage be damned.
In other words, the size of the attack...and the collateral damage it causes...is never a good measuring stick to use(especially in this medium.) These are characters who have a very precise/refined degree of control over their ki, and can effectively condense their energy attack(s) into a very small area in order to avoid excessive collateral damage, yet still retain the attack's full potency. If collateral damage were the end-all/be-all, then a few characters from OG DB/DBZ would still be among the franchise's elite... But that just ain't how it works.
That being said, King Piccolo's Demon Wave(*see carv's clip*) might have 'only' appeared nuke-like from a collateral standpoint, but it's also possible that it packed much more of a wallop than that. After all, his power-level was considerably above Roshi's, and Roshi was already a moon-buster back then. Just food for thought.
Amazing post. I didn't even think about this. Dark, don't add to this statement. Thanks
I'm still surprised till this date of Raditz standing there without even flinching at Piccolo attack.
Originally posted by Galan007
👆If you just watch carv's clip, then the attack looks nuke-level(Brit would get my vote on that one, btw)... But if we assume that the potency behind said attack could have been in the moon-busting tier(which is possible, given how scaling works in DB), then the list of characters who can outright tank it shortens quite a bit.
Brit is neither Marvel nor DC, noob 👇
But interesting that debating collateral damage is useless in DBZ as well. So where does Carv get it from? I always thought he had his brain rotted from DBZ.
Originally posted by carver9
Looking at the video, the blast dwarfed a number of mountains.
Interesting.
Edit:
Originally posted by carver9
[BIt melted everything in its vicinity which gives us an indication on how powerful the attack was. [/B]
Originally posted by carver9
This blast is obviously bigger than a Nuke.
Originally posted by carver9
Also, Firelord was about to destroy a city and Spiderman knew it would kill him. He's not withstanding that kind of power.
Originally posted by carver9
Lmmfao... Darksaint, you don't believe Spiderman can withstand a city destroying attack.
Originally posted by carver9
Hey Dark... there's no evidence in the scan that you posted that Colossus was hit with city destroying power. I
Very interesting.
