Originally posted by Galan007never got how a blast can have moon, or planet, or galaxy destroying "potency" without actually causing a huge amount of collateral damage?
Debating collateral damage in DB is pointless.For example, Piccolo tried to kill Raditz with one of his most powerful attacks, and it caused virtually no collateral damage at all:
https://ibb.co/ns40YbX
https://ibb.co/R6C3W5X
https://ibb.co/2s6hDChFast-forward a few days in the story, and Piccolo used [what appears to be] the same type of blast to vape the moon:
https://ibb.co/X3Hx8LS
https://ibb.co/qRty6qRSo we might be able to assume that Raditz tanked something akin to a moon-buster, collateral damage be damned.
In other words, the size of the attack...and the collateral damage it causes...is never a good measuring stick to use(especially in this medium.) These are characters who have a very precise/refined degree of control over their ki, and can effectively condense their energy attack(s) into a very small area in order to avoid excessive collateral damage, yet still retain the attack's full potency. If collateral damage were the end-all/be-all, then a few characters from OG DB/DBZ would still be among the franchise's elite... But that just ain't how it works.
That being said, King Piccolo's Demon Wave(*see carv's clip*) might have 'only' appeared nuke-like from a collateral standpoint, but it's also possible that it packed much more of a wallop than that. After all, his power-level was considerably above Roshi's, and Roshi was already a moon-buster back then. Just food for thought.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXFiction.
never got how a blast can have moon, or planet, or galaxy destroying "potency" without actually causing a huge amount of collateral damage?
Same way Molecule Man can unleash a blast capable of destroying billions of dimensions inside of his apartment, without even scuffing his sofa.
Same way MUI Goku's all-out Kamehameha didn't even destroy a small chunk of the tournament ring, but was still enough to put FP Jiren down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dcV4Z2eFUI&t=31m50s
*Bear in mind that Jiren literally wouldn't even register a moon-buster from Roshi, or a planet-buster from Saiyan saga Vegeta, or a solar system-buster from SPC, etc. etc.
So yeah, the amount/scale of collateral damage an energy attack causes in DB is most definitely not always a reliable indicator of the attack's potency.
Pretty much. 👆
The attack could have been anywhere from nuke-level, to moon-level in potency... which is obviously a vast difference.
The only evidence that it might have been closer to the latter is the fact that generating the attack seemed to tax KP a bit afterward, iirc. Given that his PL puts him solidly in the moon-busting tier, a simple nuke-esque attack shouldn't have really depleted his ki much at all.
...but even then it's still a guessing game.
Originally posted by Galan007
Pretty much. 👆The attack could have been anywhere from nuke-level, to moon-level in potency... which is obviously a vast difference.
The only evidence that it might have been closer to the latter is the fact that generating the attack seemed to tax KP a bit afterward, iirc. Given that his PL puts him solidly in the moon-busting tier, a simple nuke-esque attack shouldn't have really depleted his ki much at all.
...but even then it's still a guessing game.
Assuming nuke level, who (Marvel/DC) would you have?
Assuming moon level, who?
Originally posted by Galan007but like i said- if one blast can wipe out the moon, then why wouldn't the exact same kind of blast from a stronger person produce even more collateral damage? that's what has never made sense to me.,
Fiction.Same way Molecule Man can unleash a blast capable of destroying billions of dimensions inside of his apartment, without even scuffing his sofa.
Same way MUI Goku's all-out Kamehameha didn't even destroy a small chunk of the tournament ring, but was still enough to put FP Jiren down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dcV4Z2eFUI&t=31m50s*Bear in mind that Jiren literally wouldn't even register a moon-buster from Roshi, or a planet-buster from Saiyan saga Vegeta, or a solar system-buster from SPC, etc. etc.
So yeah, the amount/scale of collateral damage an energy attack causes in DB is most definitely not always a reliable indicator of the attack's potency.
^ I already addressed this...
Originally posted by Galan007
These are characters who have a very precise/refined degree of control over their ki, and can effectively condense their energy attack(s) into a very small area in order to avoid excessive collateral damage, yet still retain the attack's full potency.
Originally posted by Galan007
Fiction.
But to put it more simply: which is the more powerful attack, iyo?
a.) An all-out Kamehameha from OG Roshi(PL=139), which was enough to destroy the moon.
b.) An all-out Kamehameha from MUI Goku, which only left a very small crater in a very small chunk of the tournament ring, yet was still powerful enough to drop FP Jiren(who is literally billionS of times more powerful than Roshi.)
If your answer is 'a', then it means you think Roshi's moon-buster > Jiren (lol?) If your answer is 'b', then you are correct and understand what I mean by the "attack potency" within a condensed area, and therefore understand why arguing over collateral damage(or lack thereof) is typically pointless in DB. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
^ I already addressed this...But to put it more simply: which is the more powerful attack, iyo?
a.) An all-out Kamehameha from OG Roshi(PL=139), which was enough to destroy the moon.
b.) An all-out Kamehameha from MUI Goku, which only left a very small crater in a very small chunk of the tournament ring, yet was still powerful enough to drop FP Jiren(who is literally billionS of times more powerful than Roshi.)If your answer is 'a', then it means you think Roshi's moon-buster > Jiren (lol?) If your answer is 'b', then you are correct and understand what I mean by the "attack potency" within a condensed area, and therefore understand why arguing over collateral damage(or lack thereof) is typically pointless in DB. 👆
But it's clear evidence that power level=power output. We see that when Goku and Vegeta beams clash and Goku wins because he was more powerful. Or when Gohan and Cell beams clashed and Gohan easily overpowers it because he is more powerful. It's consistent and it happens all of the time. By the way, this attack would kill everyone on DC and Marvel earth...
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