Zod vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by carver9
Whats that issue and issue number? I'm also, saving this thread, lol.

Superman #12..

Also, remember this:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You're not understanding my point.

It depends on the number of showings they have, total.

Billy has quite a few showings. So his feats need to be taken into account, more than his fights.

Gladiator does not (relative to Billy). So his fights count for much more than his feats. He is the same like Orion, who has even fewer showings still.

Hulk has TONS of showings. So his fights and feats are all equal(ish) in weighting.

IOW: if a character has very few appearances (LT, In-Betweener, Orion, Galactus) then their fights are a better gauge of their power.

The more showings a character has, and the more they start interacting with other characters, the more their fights get diluted. Lobo is a good example, as are the Lanterns. You yourself acknowledge, in team books Lobo is less impressive. Lanterns are terrible against bricks. That's when their feats become more of a gauge, where writers don't have to dilute them. Batman and Cap are also good examples of this.

Nearly 8 years, now, lol.

Nope. If Zod got hit in that comic by something with no speed showing, that sh** is getting thrown out the window. I'm doing this going forward on any speed showing you mention.

Originally posted by carver9
Nope. If Zod got hit in that comic by something with no speed showing, that sh** is getting thrown out the window. I'm doing this going forward on any speed showing you mention.

But I am saying PIS exists in comics that enables slower characters to tag faster characters all the time.

I am not saying Zatanna is Amazo level. I am not saying Canary is Amazo level.

I am saying that relying solely on fights when the fights are full of PIS is wrong. You're the one to bring up ABC 'well WW hit Amazo who is fast therefore she is fast herself!'

All just because I asked about her having a timestop conversation. Look, if she doesn't have one, she doesn't. No shame in that, only a select few speedsters (the Flashes, the Supermen) have these.

But by all means, read a comic for once. you're welcome.

This comic outright said Amazo is faster than Superman by someone who knows Superman speed. Also, this...

I'm surprised you're even arguing this way when you disagreed with this style of debating not too long ago. When Robin withstood an attack from an imp while trying to give Superman credit via durabiliity for withstanding hits from a being supposedly more powerful than Mxy.

Originally posted by carver9
This comic outright said Amazo is faster than Superman by someone who knows Superman speed. Also, this...

I'm surprised you're even arguing this way when you disagreed with this style of debating not too long ago. When Robin withstood an attack from an imp while trying to give Superman credit via durabiliity for withstanding hits from a being supposedly more powerful than Mxy.

WW's internal narration stated that, just after Canary blew his head off.

I even stated that as a trope:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆 you get it.

Powerless humans in comics sure are powerful , concession accepted.

You are beginning to understand, I think - PIS exists in comics. Powerless humans can tank attacks that high heralds can't, slow characters can tag fast characters all the time.

You do know it's the writers who is saying these things right. I don't know why you keep debating like these characters are real. Anyways, yes, there are contradictions in comics, in this case, it's not. About to read that Zod comic. I cant wait.

Originally posted by carver9
You do know it's the writers who is saying these things right. I don't know why you keep debating like these characters are real. Anyways, yes, there are contradictions in comics, in this case, it's not. About to read that Zod comic. I cant wait.

I'm not debating them as though they are real? WTF lol.

I am saying she can be written as mistaken. If Gladiator is said to be stronger than Hulk and Hyperion combined by Grimm, it's obviously the writer writing the character saying that - does that make it true?

So its not a contradiction in this comic? Amazo is both fast and slow?

Edit: also, I will save you the trouble, lmao:

That's the entire scene. I chose it for a reason 😈

What youre not getting is, this happens all of the time 🤣. Even when Superman built that moon, a random no name alien was able to track him and attack him. Ill be back. Stop replying please so that I can read this comic.

Originally posted by carver9
What youre not getting is, this happens all of the time 🤣. Even when Superman built that moon, a random no name alien was able to track him and attack him. Ill be back. Stop replying please so that I can read this comic.

Yup, so PIS happens all the time. Agreed.

Wonder Woman speed isn't PIS

Read Superman #12 and that's about Brainiac. I don't see Zod in this comic.

....

You know there are multiple Superman books, right?

It's the Bendis one. With Rogol Zarr.

it's a false comparison anyway. superman is faster than zod. one showing doesn't change that. zod may be the faster of the two but is the difference great enough to ensure he wins this? not imo. she's fought supes any number of times. we can claim pis every time but that gets old very fast. i'd say this is pretty close to a split. maybe diana 6/10. be similar to captain marvel vs zod but diana's more warrior like. cm would be a bit softer but neither would be overwhelmed by zod's speed imo. and we'd need more proof than a single feat to make the claim anyway i think. we'd need more far more combat speed feats. like i said--he may be faster but i don't think the difference would be the difference in the match.

Originally posted by leonidas
it's a false comparison anyway. superman is faster than zod. one showing doesn't change that. zod may be the faster of the two but is the difference great enough to ensure he wins this? not imo. she's fought supes any number of times. we can claim pis every time but that gets old very fast. i'd say this is pretty close to a split. maybe diana 6/10. be similar to captain marvel vs zod but diana's more warrior like. cm would be a bit softer but neither would be overwhelmed by zod's speed imo. and we'd need more proof than a single feat to make the claim anyway i think. we'd need more far more combat speed feats. like i said--he may be faster but i don't think the difference would be the difference in the match.

Yeah. You need context, as always, Leo:

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman vs Zod, who wins? Wonder Woman has better strength, speed, and durability fts than Zod, so she should pull a hefty majority, right? Im talking aboht a stomp.

Superman isnt in this thread. Let's stay on topic.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman isnt in this thread. Let's stay on topic.

I mean, this is your post:

Originally posted by carver9
You can't take away from the comic, Saint. Lol. Heck, even in the speed showing you're mentioning with Zod and Superman, both got hit by things that doesn't have any super speed.

So you must have seen it, right???

Originally posted by leonidas
it's a false comparison anyway. superman is faster than zod. one showing doesn't change that. zod may be the faster of the two but is the difference great enough to ensure he wins this? not imo. she's fought supes any number of times. we can claim pis every time but that gets old very fast. i'd say this is pretty close to a split. maybe diana 6/10. be similar to captain marvel vs zod but diana's more warrior like. cm would be a bit softer but neither would be overwhelmed by zod's speed imo. and we'd need more proof than a single feat to make the claim anyway i think. we'd need more far more combat speed feats. like i said--he may be faster but i don't think the difference would be the difference in the match.

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I have a job, Saint. I cant just read comics and work at the same time. Give me time. You didn't even tell me the year of the Superman comic.

Zod

Originally posted by carver9
I have a job, Saint. I cant just read comics and work at the same time. Give me time. You didn't even tell me the year of the Superman comic.

So if you haven't read it.....how can you assert so confidently that he got hit by things that had no superspeed??

Also, damn, how much handholding do you need? How many Superman #12s written by Bendis have Rogol Zaar in them??