Darth Maul vs Captain America (MCU)

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Then why didn't Vader use force lighting? Let me guess: he actually did in some EU book from 1987? Or maybe he just didn't feel like using it because he thought it was cheap and tacky?

Maybe they all had their unique talents and weaknesses. Maybe it was beyond Vader's ability, while the Palpatine family just learns it accidentally.

*edit* Also, has it been confirmed that the movie vs forum respects Disney canon guidelines? I thought it was 'cinema only' in this place

Vader used Force Lightning and almost shorted out his suit.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg

*edit* Also, has it been confirmed that the movie vs forum respects Disney canon guidelines? I thought it was 'cinema only' in this place

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Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Then why didn't Vader use force lighting? Let me guess: he actually did in some EU book from 1987? Or maybe he just didn't feel like using it because he thought it was cheap and tacky?

Maybe they all had their unique talents and weaknesses. Maybe it was beyond Vader's ability, while the Palpatine family just learns it accidentally.

*edit* Also, has it been confirmed that the movie vs forum respects Disney canon guidelines? I thought it was 'cinema only' in this place

Vader's limbs are cybernetic, you goof. He can't channel lightning through them without killing himself.

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Originally posted by Psychotron
Vader's limbs are cybernetic, you goof. He can't channel lightning through them without killing himself.

Pretty much. Both legs and both arms are fully robotic, and he has an electronic breathing apparatus and other systems as well metal replacement parts and augmentations. He was almost more machine than man, which is why despite being just fine when he lifted Sidious over his head, the random Force Lightning killed him. He was just a cybernetic lightning rod inches from a storm.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Vader's limbs are cybernetic, you goof. He can't channel lightning through them without killing himself.

Vader was not a cyborg when he became a sith. It's obvious at this point that you're emotionally unstable and not debating in good faith.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Maul telekinetically pushed Obi Wan into the pit. He can do the same to Cap and his shield
At 0:56 Maul telekinetically sends a piece of debris into the buttons to open the slidinf doors. So yeah, he does use TK in battle

https://youtu.be/qo__6MZIg6U?si=1_uRYajgk1gCiP74

And at 0:53 he kicks Qui Gon down to the floor which keeps him there for some time

And 1:02 sends Obi Wan flying some distance with another kick

1:45 he falls from quite some height and is unharmed

There is also him casually jumping off a speeder

https://youtu.be/JMlUmUlu9M0?si=FjoypN_CX_eMeSzn

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Even TPM Maul wins this easily. Not that the OP has specified this is TPM Maul Only or anything.

on the inverse of my previous point, i've never seen a jedi who lacked TK and ESP. Quigon directly says that ESP is the reason for jedi reflexes, and the younglings in Ep2 obviously all have it as they're doing that blindfolded exercise with the practice droids. There's no canon evidence that TK is standard, but it sure seems to be. however talents like force choking and force lightning are shown by very few. in fact the only non-vader character i can recall doing the force choke is grogu. luke arguably did something similar to jabba's palace guards, but i dont want to bring that old bitter debate up again. those techniques would have been very useful to maul and might not have left him half-a-man. look how well it worked for dooku

1. To my knowledge, Vader has never used Force Lightning onscreen. If he did, it hasn’t been established Force Lightning would short circuit his suit.

2. The MVF Golden Rule still applies. Onscreen movie feats only. Canon and lore aren’t screen feats.

Thank you for confirming

Only 3 film characters used force lighting:
-Palpatine
-Dooku
-Rey

Sith who did not use force lighting on film, and y'all need to accept it:
-Vader (in both uncooked and cooked versions)
-Kylo Ren. (Kylo could have ended that trilogy in the first act if he was able to use it)
-The forgettable Snoke
-Maul. He had TK, ESP, but he can't do the chokey choke or the zappy zap. [/DealWithIt]

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Vader was not a cyborg when he became a sith. It's obvious at this point that you're emotionally unstable and not debating in good faith.

Vader hadn't learned any dark side powers when Obi-Wan crippled him. Goof.

Originally posted by Impediment
1. To my knowledge, Vader has never used Force Lightning onscreen. If he did, it hasn’t been established Force Lightning would short circuit his suit.

2. The MVF Golden Rule still applies. Onscreen movie feats only. Canon and lore aren’t screen feats.

SO ANIMATED SERIES that are in the same universe as live action are not applicable? Does that count for live action series too?

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
SO ANIMATED SERIES that are in the same universe as live action are not applicable? Does that count for live action series too?

Characters from televised movies are allowed for versus matches, but characters from an actual TV series are not allowed, since, obviously, the tv series is not a movie. Characters who have appeared on both television and on film (Star Trek, 24, etc) are allowed for versus matches. Star Trek, for example, has numerous tv shows of different franchises as well as motion pictures and it seems only fair to allow feats from both in versus matches.

Also to note that in TPM, Qui-Gonn and Obi displayed Force Speed, so it's not just ESP:

Onscreen applies to movies and television, not books, comics, video games, etc.

So does that mean that, for a example, feats of CGI obiwan in the clone wars or rebels TV shows count as valid feats?

Originally posted by Impediment
Onscreen applies to movies and television, not books, comics, video games, etc.

👆 so Clone Wars/Rebels/Bad Batch etc are all allowed in this forum.

Yes. Which I already assumed as Clone Wars/Rebels/Bad Batch are all direct continuations of the Prequel Trilogy and acknowledged by LucasFilm/Disney as canon to said Trilogy. There are multiple direct mentions or flashbacks to things that happened in the movies.

Whoa cowboy. Imp decides this, not you

The MVF allows on screen feats from movies as per the roots of this versus forum, and I later amended the rules to include tv shows/series.

Star Wars has numerous tv show spin-offs that are allowed as Golden Rule on screen feats.

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I take back the part about "sneaking in cartoons" then