Red Hulk vs Namor

Originally posted by Robtard
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Anyhow, I maintain this is how Namor wins, considering Namor's speed, agility and flight advantages.

Although possible, stabbing Rulk in the skull would be extremely difficult for Namor. The battle is dynamic, and many factors come into play.

Namor's attacking speed with the spear is only at a human level, and he tends to fight grounded and up close against single, humanoid opponents that has no ranged weapons.

Additionally, he might lack the strength to pierce Rulk's skull, which is far more durable than his skin - already highly resistant to armor-piercing bullets.

Namor wins with the spear, but only by a slight majority.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He prefers to make up writers intention. He doesnt like direct quotes from them.

I only bring up "writer's intent" when addressing those who troll or argue against clear on-screen intent.

Originally posted by h1a8
Quotes and statements that contradict on-screen feats have no evidentiary value.

I only bring up "writer's intent" when addressing those who troll or argue against clear on-screen intent.

"clear TO YOU on-screen intent" is basically whatever you imagine/wish it to be. Whilst ignoring filmmaker commentary because what they actually intended usually doesn't fit your wishes.

So my analysis of your argumentation method was 100% correct.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He prefers to make up writers intention. He doesnt like direct quotes from them.

Not surprised.

Originally posted by h1a8
Although possible, stabbing Rulk in the skull would be extremely difficult for Namor. The battle is dynamic, and many factors come into play.

Namor's attacking speed with the spear is only at a human level, and he tends to fight grounded and up close against single, humanoid opponents that has no ranged weapons.

Additionally, he might lack the strength to pierce Rulk's skull, which is far more durable than his skin - already highly resistant to armor-piercing bullets.

Namor wins with the spear, but only by a slight majority.

Wrong.

Namor's shown to have the ability to both slice through and puncture vibranium with his "raw vibranium" spear. Red Hulk's bones shouldn't be more difficult.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
"clear TO YOU on-screen intent" is basically whatever you imagine/wish it to be. Whilst ignoring filmmaker commentary because what they actually intended usually doesn't fit your wishes.

So my analysis of your argumentation method was 100% correct.

I use the "reasonable person" standard - if something is clear to the reasonable person, then it's not up for debate.

As for outside statements and interviews:
1. A writer's opinion can change AFTER a film is completed, or they might even LIE (they're human) to promote a movie.

2. A producer of one film doesn't have artistic control over a character from another film, produced by someone else. Feige could very well believe Hulk is significantly stronger than Namor.

3. Statements mean nothing when they contradict on-screen showings, even if those statements come from within the movie itself.

4. "MOVIE FEATS ONLY!" - that's the rule here.

I guarantee that you and Robtard will troll, ignore every point I made, and just repeat your argument with slightly different wording.

That tells me two things:
1. My argument is too strong to be easily refuted.
2. I've already won the debate.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong.

Namor's shown to have the ability to both slice through and puncture vibranium with his "raw vibranium" spear. Red Hulk's bones shouldn't be more difficult.

Really?
Prove it then.
Then prove how durable this so called filtered unpure vibranium is so that we can compare it with the durability of Rulk's bones.

Originally posted by h1a8
Really?
Prove it then.
Then prove how durable this so called filtered unpure vibranium is so that we can compare it with the durability of Rulk's bones.

You want me to prove how durable vibranium is in the MCU? The stated nigh indestructible stuff? 😂

Not using vibranium, its low point is probably Cap's thin shield being broken by repeated hits from Thanos strength hits using his infinity blade. Which isn't really a low point for vibranium, it's a very high point for Thanos and his blade.

Now you, how durable are Red Hulk's bones? Prove they're stronger than vibranium.

Originally posted by Robtard
You want me to prove how durable vibranium is in the MCU? The stated nigh indestructible stuff? 😂

Not using vibranium, its low point is probably Cap's thin shield being broken by repeated hits from Thanos strength hits using his infinity blade. Which isn't really a low point for vibranium, it's a very high point for Thanos and his blade.

Now you, how durable are Red Hulk's bones? Prove they're stronger than vibranium.

1. Prove that he stabbed through filtered vibranium.
2. Prove how durable filtered vibranium actually is.

Stop committing the fallacy of assuming filtered vibranium is as strong as pure or raw vibranium. It's obviously weaker, given that pure vibranium pierced right through it - assuming you've even proven point number 1..

When you argue from bias, you tend to ignore key words that, when removed, completely change the meaning of what was said.

I literally gave you an example of how strong refined vibranium is using Cap's shield above you clown 😂 It took Thanos hitting it over and over with his blade to break some.

As for the spear, it's cut and stabbed through Wakandan ships and the Black Panther suit, both made of vibranium. Wakandan's using vibranium as their metal is kinda a basic MCU thing you should know.

Now, how strong are Red Hulk's bones? Prove they're stronger than vibranium. Go.

Is this where we're at now,,,,,trying to prove how strong a fantasy metal (two different forms even) and a fantasy creatures bones are and then comparing them?

Just trying to save the forum 5 pages of H1's idiotic calculations and examples.

Originally posted by tkitna
Is this where we're at now,,,,,trying to prove how strong a fantasy metal (two different forms even) and a fantasy creatures bones are and then comparing them?

Just trying to save the forum 5 pages of H1's idiotic calculations and examples.

No know what, you're absolutely correct.

Originally posted by tkitna
Is this where we're at now,,,,,trying to prove how strong a fantasy metal (two different forms even) and a fantasy creatures bones are and then comparing them?

Just trying to save the forum 5 pages of H1's idiotic calculations and examples.

I thought the trident was made of pure vibranium?

Namor's spear is pure vibranium yes. Like a carved, solid chunk. While the Panther Habit is a vibranium weave, otherwise T'Challa, T'Chaka, Killmonger, and Shuri wouldn't be able to move in it. While Sam's suit is a weave as well and his wings are like a flexible plating and the shield is a solid chunk.

As Ultron said "the most versatile element in the world", meaning it can be made into the solid heavy plating for a ship, a thin weave mess for a body suit or the bio-synthetic mix of Vision's body. Regardless, it's ridiculously durable.

Originally posted by Robtard
I literally gave you an example of how strong refined vibranium is using Cap's shield above you clown 😂 It took Thanos hitting it over and over with his blade to break some.

As for the spear, it's cut and stabbed through Wakandan ships and the Black Panther suit, both made of vibranium. Wakandan's using vibranium as their metal is kinda a basic MCU thing you should know.

Now, how strong are Red Hulk's bones? Prove they're stronger than vibranium. Go.

Cap's shield is made of pure vibranium.

Wakandan ships, as you assume, are made of a vibranium alloy - a mixture of vibranium and other materials. That's what I meant by "filtered" vibranium.

Black Panther's suit is also a blend of vibranium and other materials, designed for flexibility and weaving. It's not pure vibranium, making it weaker by comparison.

Thanos' sword is made of an unknown metal, so it has no relevance to this argument.

The fact remains: a vibranium spear pierced both a Wakandan ship and vibranium weave. This confirms that both are weaker than pure vibranium. Exactly how much weaker is unknown, but you can't apply the durability feats of Cap's shield to Wakandan ships.

There's no need to resort to insults. Just give effective rebuttals instead.

Originally posted by tkitna
Is this where we're at now,,,,,trying to prove how strong a fantasy metal (two different forms even) and a fantasy creatures bones are and then comparing them?

Just trying to save the forum 5 pages of H1's idiotic calculations and examples.

I don't know about you, but we prove these type of things comparing top feats.

Interesting how your methods of debate change between threads there H1. 30 to 50 tone strength for upgrade Predator because reasons, yet dies to the equivalent of a hand grenade and a few 9mm pistol rounds. Now you're giving someone the benefit of the doubt to the skull of Rulk against a dude literally in the same strength class as him, wielding a spear....

it is precisely this kind of logic that makes everyone who talks to you ask the question "Why are you drinking the wakckazaid out of a clown shoe?"

Originally posted by h1a8
He claimed that Namor can stab through Rulk's skull. He needs to prove it, considering Rulk's skull is significantly more durable than his skin, which is already far stronger than the toughest steel.

I don't know about you, but we prove these type of things comparing top feats.

You realize Sam was cutting and impaling Rulk with his vibranium wings right?