Red Hulk vs Namor

Originally posted by h1a8
BP's claws didn't scratch the shield itself - they only scratched the outer coating. I just rewatched the scene in slow motion, and there was absolutely no damage to the shield.

It would be unreasonable to believe Namor could stab through Cap's shield in a single strike when Thor and Rulk, using all their might with Mjolnir, couldn't even dent it.

Well we really don't know the durability properties of Mjolnir compared to vibranium. Hela crushed the hammer. Could she do that with vibranium? Mjolnir is a blunt force object too compared to Namors spear. Also, doesn't Caps shield have concussive properties that repels blunt force?

Again, not debating as nothing can be proved, but just stating some opinions.

Thanos cut through Cap's shield which according to the Russo's was likely Uru metal (same as Mjolnir, but clearly not under Thor's control). Although tbf that could be more due to Thanos's strength.

Namor sliced through Vibranium ships. No reason to think he couldn't cut through Cap's shield, given he has the same metal as a weapon and clealry tremendous strength.

Someone will say that the ships are of a weaker "vibranium alloy", which they never proved.

Apparently Wakanda has a vibranium shortage where they need to make the hulls of their ships not pure refined vibranium.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Thanos cut through Cap's shield which according to the Russo's was likely Uru metal (same as Mjolnir, but clearly not under Thor's control). Although tbf that could be more due to Thanos's strength.

Namor sliced through Vibranium ships. No reason to think he couldn't cut through Cap's shield, given he has the same metal as a weapon and clealry tremendous strength.

What Thanos did is irrelevant since his sword was made of a metal stronger than Cap's shield.

Namor slicing through the ships directly proves they're less durable than his spear and Cap's shield.

Originally posted by Robtard
Someone will say that the ships are of a weaker "vibranium alloy", which they never proved.

Apparently Wakanda has a vibranium shortage where they need to make the hulls of their ships not pure refined vibranium.

Vibranium alloy ≠ Cap's shield, which is pure vibranium.

What the ships were made of is irrelevant (we actually don't know) - since they're clearly weaker than the spear and Cap's shield.

Or you know, vibranium can destroy vibranium if there's a significant amount of force behind the attack. Maybe someone with strength level comparable to the Hulk's. *mind blown*

No, it's not irrelevant, as Namor destroying them with his spear is a high-end feat, as Wakandan ships are made of vibranium. You want it to be irrelevant because it counters your clown arguments.

Originally posted by Robtard
Or you know, vibranium can destroy vibranium if there's a significant amount of force behind the attack. Maybe someone with strength level comparable to the Hulk's. *mind blown*

No, it's not irrelevant, as Namor destroying them with his spear is a high-end feat, as Wakandan ships are made of vibranium. You want it to be irrelevant because it counters your clown arguments.

No material can stab through another of equal durability without being greatly damaged or destroyed in the process. That's not just basic science - it's common sense.

I explained why it's irrelevant, and instead of addressing my reasoning, you just replied like a stubborn child, "No, it's not irrelevant," without offering an actual rebuttal.

As for the ships - we don't know what they're made of. The movies never state or imply their composition. It's reasonable to assume they're made of either no vibranium at all or a vibranium-based composite alloy that's weaker than pure vibranium.

So supposedly Wakandan's got cheap on their vibranium usage when it came to their military vessels? 😂

Originally posted by Robtard

No, it's not irrelevant, as Namor destroying them with his spear is a high-end feat, as Wakandan ships are made of vibranium.

Don't forget the ease with which he was chucking them around!

Originally posted by Robtard
Or you know, vibranium can destroy vibranium if there's a significant amount of force behind the attack. Maybe someone with strength level comparable to the Hulk's. *mind blown*

No, it's not irrelevant, as Namor destroying them with his spear is a high-end feat, as Wakandan ships are made of vibranium. You want it to be irrelevant because it counters your clown arguments.

Pretty sure T'challa wrecked a ship with a Vibranium spear too back in the first movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d09lpHURU4o&t=29s

Vibranium supply isn't infinite. They aren't going to make every single ship out of it. At least one wouldn't think so.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
So supposedly Wakandan's got cheap on their vibranium usage when it came to their military vessels? 😂

Don't forget the ease with which he was chucking them around!

This is fiction - none of it actually happened. If the writer intended the ships to be as durable as Cap's shield, then he wouldn't have shown BP easily throwing a spear through one or Namor effortlessly stabbing into one. After all, the same writer made it clear that vibranium claws couldn't even scratch Cap's shield.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Pretty sure T'challa wrecked a ship with a Vibranium spear too back in the first movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d09lpHURU4o&t=29s

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If two vibranium objects hit each other, wouldn't they just bounce off really hard?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
So supposedly Wakandan's got cheap on their vibranium usage when it came to their military vessels? 😂

Don't forget the ease with which he was chucking them around!

It's the only natural conclusion. Save the pure vibranium for cups and forks.

Anyhow, Namor's stabbing Red Hulk through the skull with his spear, if he wants. h1 has yet to prove this can't can't happen.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's the only natural conclusion. Save the pure vibranium for cups and forks.

Anyhow, Namor's stabbing Red Hulk through the skull with his spear, if he wants. h1 has yet to prove this can't can't happen.

Stabbing Rulk through the skull qualifies as a special attribute to be proven, given that:

1. He jumped through the White House, smashing through multiple layers of stone and granite weighing many tons.

2. He completely demolished two government buildings (constructed from stone/granite and reinforced materials) using a thunderclap from over 100 yards away.

The force required to level those two full-sized government buildings from that distance is astronomically high - easily in the minimum of thousands of tons. Yet his hands, which are structurally weaker than his skull and also which endured many times greater force than those buildings did (since the buildings only experienced the diluted residual force that his hands experienced), remained completely undamaged.

For the slow:
The buildings endured a minimum of thousands of tons of collateral force - and not the direct impact force that Rulk's hands absorbed (which is many times more than what the buildings received). And those hands are structurally weaker than his skull.

For the super slow:
Imagine two strong men swinging sledgehammers at full strength and smashing them together. The resulting shockwave barely rustles a nearby piece of paper. The force the sledgehammers absorb (Rulk's hands) is vastly greater than what the paper experiences (the residual force that hit the buildings). And remember: his hands are less durable than his skull.

Originally posted by h1a8
It was the motor in the backpack wings, not Sam's strength. This same motor was responsible for generating enough stopping force to stop Rulk's full swing (bad writing since Sam's hands and forearm should have been shattered in the process).

Then there's the issue of assuming pure vibranium is as strong as Rulk's bones.

We know that Rulk's skin is comparable to Black Panther's armor when it comes to feats of conventional weaponry (armor-piercing bullets, explosions, etc.), meaning both are significantly stronger than steel.

For a material to cut through something (with sufficient force) and not just scratch or leave marks, it needs to be [b]AT LEAST slightly harder than the material it's cutting through.

So, pure vibranium is at least a little tougher than Rulk's skin - that much is clear. But since bone, especially skull bone, is vastly tougher than skin, we can't say for sure that pure vibranium is stronger than Rulk's skull bone without actual feats to compare and prove it. [/B]

Just rewatched. It wasn't the motor in the wings in the first instance.

Then normal pistol bullets were leaving weals on his skin.

Then his feathers were piercing Rulk.

Then Cap kicked one of these feathers deeper into Rulk, without any motor assistance.

Namor wins.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Just rewatched. It wasn't the motor in the wings in the first instance.

Then normal pistol bullets were leaving weals on his skin.

Then his feathers were piercing Rulk.

Then Cap kicked one of these feathers deeper into Rulk, without any motor assistance.

Namor wins.

My man (in Denzel's voice).

Any contradictory evidence against a low showing - especially overwhelming evidence - invalidates the low showing.

I don't recall seeing any damage from pistol shots. Red Hulk tanked 20mm cannon shells without any damage and withstood at least tens of thousands of tons of force to his skin without injury when he struck himself to generate a shockwave that delivered at least that much force. Therefore, the pistol showing is dismissed.

The motor inside the backpack controls the movement of the wings, so it was the motor that applied the force.

Once a material is cut, it becomes compromised and easier to cut through. Cap only kicked it in less than half an inch - a small, negligible amount.

With that said, Rulk either one-shots Namor with a thunderclap or outright kills him with a single strike - since the strike would be astronomically more powerful than the shockwave generated by the thunderclap.

It was with a sideswipe of the wings, so that was with Sam's arms.

You also forgot the metal darts that he shot. And rewatch the scenes, you'll see bruises and marks every time he got shot.

Prove it gets compromised to the point a normal powered human can move it half an inch - he was kicking it into 'fresh' body tissue, which should still be incredibly dense/durable.

Also, you aren't using the Denzel meme correctly.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Also, you aren't using the Denzel meme correctly.

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It was with a sideswipe of the wings, so that was with Sam's arms.

You also forgot the metal darts that he shot. And rewatch the scenes, you'll see bruises and marks every time he got shot.

Prove it gets compromised to the point a normal powered human can move it half an inch - he was kicking it into 'fresh' body tissue, which should still be incredibly dense/durable.

Also, you aren't using the Denzel meme correctly.

The wings were moved by the motor in the backpack, the same motor that operates them during flight.

I didn't say half an inch, I said LESS THAN half an inch. In reality, it didn't look like any measurable amount was pushed in. Obviously, there was some movement, but it was too small to visually detect. It's well within the suspension of disbelief that a human could kick a vibranium dart in by a tiny, unnoticeable amount.

If you disagree, my other point still holds:
Any contradictory evidence - especially overwhelming evidence - invalidates a low showing.

Denzel, playing the role of Frank Lucas in American Gangster, clearly said the exact words "My man!" multiple times. You're clearly mistaken on that point.

Edit: I still don't see any bruises on Rulk after he was shot. But even if I'm mistaken and there were some, my point still stands:
Any contradictory evidence - especially overwhelming evidence - invalidates a low showing.