Apoc vs Thanos

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Oh no I knew something was missing. Suspend =/= Crush.
Apoc does not possess the power to crush Thanos from what was shown. Wanda is way beyond Apoc powerwise.

Magneto lol. You mean hurling metal scraps at his shields? Lol

Well there's a way, if he gets in close. I already stated Apoc could keep him away via TK.

A character that can dismantle a city surely has the power to crush Thanos.

Laughing at Magneto's attack is funny. What he threw at Apoc would have easily killed Thanos.

Originally posted by tkitna
A character that can dismantle a city surely has the power to crush Thanos.

Laughing at Magneto's attack is funny. What he threw at Apoc would have easily killed Thanos.

That was the size of a small village being dismantled; your average city is much larger than that. Also, Apocalypse was only shown lifting several objects off the ground at a time (multiple buildings, some cars, etc.). He never lifted the entire mass simultaneously.

Also, the conclusion still doesn't follow.

Apoc moving large masses, some at a time, does not logically prove he can crush Thanos.
His lifting feats demonstrate his ability to exert large, area-distributed force over objects, but crushing feats require focused pressure capable of overcoming extreme material resistance.

In other words, crushing Thanos would require Apoc to focus that area-dispersed lifting strength into high-pressure micro-concentration that overcomes hyper-durability - something he has never shown.

Lol at scrap metal killing Thanos. That scrap metal might as well be a bunch of feathers striking him. I'm exaggerating, of course, but you get the point.

Originally posted by KingD19
The only feat we have from Ronan before he obtains the stone is beating up a sloppy drunk Drax and holding the Power Stone. Afterwards is when he gets most of his feats, including getting rammed into by the Milano going full speed and all the rubble it brought with it, as well as the Hadron Enforcer shot which could destroy a moon.

Ronan being the strongest of the Kree doesn't matter much since we know for a fact the things he does are powered by the stone. His comic origins don't matter. We know even powerhouses in the MCU wouldn't be able to survive something that could blow up a moon. And yet, we've seen Thanos and Eson display the ability to destroy a celestial body and survive it's destruction(in Eson's case) while powered by the stone. No Kree could take that, not even the best normal one.

Ronan is clearly significantly physically above all other Kree, as shown by him holding the power stone for more than 15 seconds and demonstrating that he is physically far beyond Drax. Even Thanos winced in pain after grabbing the power stone for only a few seconds when using it against CM.

Why isn't Ronan allowed to be durable enough to withstand the Hadron Enforcer? He's a fictional character subject to artistic license. It was also shown that Drax tanked the collision with the Milano. All of these feats are within the suspension of disbelief.

Regardless, this is irrelevant, as the Russos clearly stated that Thanos was not physically amped by the stones when he fought Hulk.

Originally posted by h1a8
Lol at scrap metal killing Thanos. That scrap metal might as well be a bunch of feathers striking him. I'm exaggerating, of course, but you get the point.

Your insane if you think Thanos can just stand there and take what Magneto was throwing at Apoc.

Originally posted by tkitna
Your insane if you think Thanos can just stand there and take what Magneto was throwing at Apoc.

Scrap metal to Thanos is like feathers to you.

Originally posted by h1a8
Scrap metal to Thanos is like feathers to you.

Even a feather can pierce you with the right velocity.

Originally posted by tkitna
Even a feather can pierce you with the right velocity.

The feather would likely burn up and disintegrate before reaching the required velocity.

Additionally, there is no evidence that Magneto can propel the scrap metal faster than a 20mm cannon round. Those rounds wouldn't even faze Thanos.

Originally posted by h1a8
The feather would likely burn up and disintegrate before reaching the required velocity.

Additionally, there is no evidence that Magneto can propel the scrap metal faster than a 20mm cannon round. Those rounds wouldn't even faze Thanos.

How fast do you think Magneto was propelling that metal? A tornado can propel objects like a straw into solid trees. I'm having a very hard time believing Thanos would come out of that constant barrage unscathed.

Iron Man made Thanos bleed. His armour isn't vibranium or something. So get outta here with Magneto's full force attack of metal is going to be like a feather.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Iron Man made Thanos bleed. His armour isn't vibranium or something. So get outta here with Magneto's full force attack of metal is going to be like a feather.

Although Tony attacked with a giant fist infused with destructive energy, he only managed to cause a minor abrasion. This was with the same suit that generated a shield capable of withstanding a power stone blast; a blast that knocked out Captain Marvel.

It is more than fair to say that his suit is far more durable than the scrap metal Magneto was hurling, especially considering the energy attack that was coupled with the punch.

Originally posted by tkitna
How fast do you think Magneto was propelling that metal? A tornado can propel objects like a straw into solid trees. I'm having a very hard time believing Thanos would come out of that constant barrage unscathed.

A 20mm round travels at 3,380 ft/s.

The scrap metal was moving at under 300 ft/s. You're severely underestimating Thanos's durability.

Here's something to consider: a 20mm round can penetrate several inches of steel, yet such a round wouldn't even cause Thanos the slightest pain.

Originally posted by h1a8
Although Tony attacked with a giant fist infused with destructive energy, he only managed to cause a minor abrasion. This was with the same suit that generated a shield capable of withstanding a power stone blast; a blast that knocked out Captain Marvel.

It is more than fair to say that his suit is far more durable than the scrap metal Magneto was hurling, especially considering the energy attack that was coupled with the punch.

It was nanotech. Self repairing and shape shifting technology. There's not much on the durability of the metal itself.

And certainly in terms of force output Magento is well above him.

Originally posted by h1a8
^ This is more correct.

It is also a special attribute that must be proven if a being shown to manipulate paper can also manipulate steel or anything else more durable. The same standard you apply to my argument applies to your argument as well.

So, cicular, and you created a stalemate thread. Cool.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
1. It was nanotech. Self repairing and shape shifting technology. There's not much on the durability of the metal itself.

2. And certainly in terms of force output Magento is well above him.

1. When the nanotech was damaged, it was shown being repaired. The nanotech shield was never shown to be damaged, indicating that it wasn't the writers' intent for it to be.

You're also overlooking the energy attack that accompanied the punch, it contributed to the total damage done.

Even if we assume no energy component, the fact that the punch damaged Thanos still proves the armor's durability, given Thanos's known durability level.

2. That's irrelevant to Magneto hurting Thanos with scrap metal.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So, cicular, and you created a stalemate thread. Cool.

It's a possible stalemate, and I can agree with that.

Thanos could potentially win if Apoc stops playing keep away and lets his guard down and Thanos manages to slice something vital off Apoc.

Apoc could potentially win if Thanos is somehow separated from his sword and Apoc uses it against him.

Imo, the latter is more likely than the former, so for now, I'll give the edge to Apoc.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. When the nanotech was damaged, it was shown being repaired. The nanotech shield was never shown to be damaged, indicating that it wasn't the writers' intent for it to be.

Oh yes, back to trolling over writer's intent. Which is anything you imagine it to be. But nothing the Writer and Director actually says.

Originally posted by h1a8
2. That's irrelevant to Magneto hurting Thanos with scrap metal.

You must be very stupid if that's what you think.

Not to mention completely inconsistent. Remember the bullets with a billion ton of force 😂

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh yes, back to trolling over writer's intent. Which is anything you imagine it to be. But nothing the Writer and Director actually says.

You must be very stupid if that's what you think.

Not to mention completely inconsistent. Remember the bullets with a billion ton of force 😂

The claim was about pressure, but you're confusing pressure with force. I initially used a program for the calculation, but it was incorrect. I redid the math by hand and got the correct result, which I posted. Also, nice exaggeration!

Only someone who is foolish, unreasonable, or extremely biased would fail to recognize clear writer intent. When it's truly clear, it should never be up for debate.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

Not to mention completely inconsistent. Remember the bullets with a billion ton of force 😂

I missed this? What bullet had a billion tons of force?

Originally posted by Robtard
I missed this? What bullet had a billion tons of force?

found it.

thor vs supes thread

Originally posted by Robtard
I missed this? What bullet had a billion tons of force?

It wasn't a billion tons of force. The original calculation,done by a program, was 313 million tons per square inch of pressure.
Everyone and their mamma kept talking about force, as if pressure and force are the same thing.

I redid the calculations by hand and discovered the program was wrong. Here's the post I made to correct it.

Originally posted by h1a8
So we all now agree on the specs of the bullet.
mass = 0.1kg
velocity =1000m/s
diameter of tip = 3.9mm or 0.0039m
length of bullet = 4in or 0.1016m

Let's calculate the force that would be exerted on Thor's head if it were to stop the bullet in less than equal to the length of the bullet (the stopping distance). This distance is 0.1016m as shown above.

Average stopping Force = Change in Kinetic Energy / stopping distance
= 1/2 x mass x velocity^2 / stopping distance
= 1/2 x (0.1kg) x (1000m/s)^2 / 0.1016m
= 492126 Newtons
Now 1 Newton = 0.22480894387096 pounds of force
So 492126N = 492126N x (0.22480894387096lb/1N) = 110634 lbs of force
2000 lbs of force = 1 ton of force
So 110634lbs = 110634lb x (1 ton/2000 lbs) = 55.3 tons of force

But the PEAK of this average stopping Force (more than 55.3 tons of force) is initially applied at the tip of the bullet the moment the bullet starts to deform.
Peak Pressure = Peak Force /Area of tip
> 492126N/ (pi x r^2]
= 492126N/[pi x (0.0039/2 m)^2]
= 4.12 x 10^10 Pascals
Now 1 pound per square foot (psi)= 6894.7572932 Pascals
So 4.12 x10^10 Pascals = (4.12 x 10^10 Pascals) x (1psi / 6894.7572932 Pascals)
= 5975004 psi
= 2987.5 tons per square inch (dividing by 2000 again)

This is the initial pressure. The pressure will decrease as the bullet deforms more.

Note: I assumed the bullet explodes on Thor and therefore deforms it entire length (4 in). If it richochets or mushrooms a little then the force is larger.
Also the actual tip is smaller, I used an overestimate by measuring the diameter below the tip, where it is wider. You will be surprised that significantly decreasing the diameter of the tip increases the pressure by a large amount.

Guess how much pressure a hypodermic needle applies with just 1 pound of force? Hundreds of tons per square inch of pressure.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
found it.

thor vs supes thread

laughcry

What a nerd