Shaggy Man has the same physical body with the indestructible stuff, the regen, the super strength but his strength doesn’t scale like the Hulks does it doesn’t actually rise at all. He isn’t anywhere near as strong as 3 to 4 times stronger than classic Thor. Wonder Woman dive bonbed Shaggy Man himself and KOd him, showing that though Eiling is crazy tough, he isn’t immune to being KOd. I’d lay high odds on Kurse eventually rag-dolling him. Kurse is definitely the stronger of the two it wouldn’t be easy either but eventually he’d end up overwhelming Eiling and KOing him.
kurse may be stronger but it's tough to see pure strength being enough to ko eiling. if kurse got really creative and like, drove his thumbs into the generals brain or something maybe he could put him out. the explosive chip took him down in suicide squad so his brain is vulnerable. just not sure kurse could or would do that. in general (heh) i'd take eiling after a massively long fight.
Originally posted by zopzop
Beyonder amped Kurse was Thorx4. It took the combined powers of Mjolnir and Stormbreaker channeled through Energizer to KO him. This after being weakened by iron (he's a dark elf).I think Beyonder amped Kurse would break Elling.
The combined might of Superman and Orion couldn't KO General. He had to be BFR into the Phantom Zone in order to defeat him. Shaggy Man has some bad showings but his good ones include owning the Pre-Crisis Justice League. Plus, the whole adapting like Doomsday too
Orion isn’t as strong as Kurse and without a sun dip Superman on average isn’t either. This can easily be scaled by using characters like Hyperion vs Thor or Gladiator vs Thor. Eiling isn’t in that strength bracket of guys that are 3 to 4 times stronger than Thor and far more durable than the General. As mentioned, yes he is nearly indestructible which isn’t being asked here. He can and has been KOd even his predecessor was KOd via dive bomb by Wonder Woman. The General doesn’t increase in strength like the Hulk does either.
Originally posted by leonidas
kurse may be stronger but it's tough to see pure strength being enough to ko eiling. if kurse got really creative and like, drove his thumbs into the generals brain or something maybe he could put him out. the explosive chip took him down in suicide squad so his brain is vulnerable. just not sure kurse could or would do that. in general (heh) i'd take eiling after a massively long fight.
Yeah he seemed weaker in Suicide Squad - took him ages to regrow his arm, whereas when the JL first fought him he was regrowing limbs in seconds....
Originally posted by zopzopHere’s a scaling issue for you.
Beyonder amped Kurse was Thorx4. It took the combined powers of Mjolnir and Stormbreaker channeled through Energizer to KO him. This after being weakened by iron (he's a dark elf).I think Beyonder amped Kurse would break Elling.
Originally posted by ODGScaling. Feats. Characters they've beaten. He's above in every single capacity.
What reasons do you have for so presumptuously declaring Superman being above Thanos to even invoke such arbitrary scaling?
He'd need outside power sources to get him up to the levels Superman can fight at casually.
Originally posted by Juntai
Here’s a scaling issue for you.
Thanos regularly manhandled Thor with just as much if not more ease than Kurse did. Supes is above that. Eiling was wrecking the entire JLA.
That isn’t true. Kurse is more physically dominant, and opposing than Thanos when it comes to punch for punch. Superman non sun dipped is a high herald. Hyperion, and Gladiator have in canon performed feats of similar magnitude with Hyperion possibly going full blown Pre Crisis by momentarily halting the collision of two universes. The idea that he was durable enough to survive that alone speaks volumes. Then you have guys like Blue Marvel who one piece Hyperion with anti matter punches backed by ridiculous strength. If you follow that rabbit hole, you’ll see that Taaia, the mother of Galactus called Blue Marvel, Adam Kadmon. This is significant, because that has a deeper meaning. Adam Kadmon is a term from Jewish mysticism (Kabbalah), referring to:
• The primordial man
• The first emanation from the divine
• A perfect archetype representing humanity before corruption
• A conduit between the Infinite (Ein Sof) and creation itself
Sorry had to share. I’m just saying that Marvel has some heavy hitters that are popping up and Superman isn’t that special any longer. Look at Storm, Jean Grey Phoenix, Blue Marvel, Silver Surfer, Immortal Hulk, Timeless Power Man, Sentry if he comes back, Thor Force Thor, Starbrand, etc.
Marvel is on the rise.
Sorry had to share. I’m just saying that Marvel has some heavy hitters that are popping up and Superman isn’t that special any longer. Look at Storm, Jean Grey Phoenix, Blue Marvel, Silver Surfer, Immortal Hulk, Timeless Power Man, Sentry if he comes back, Thor Force Thor, Starbrand, etc.
What are so special about those characters?
Originally posted by StoicSupes outfeats all them dudes added together.
That isn’t true. Kurse is more physically dominant, and opposing than Thanos when it comes to punch for punch. Superman non sun dipped is a high herald. Hyperion, and Gladiator have in canon performed feats of similar magnitude with Hyperion possibly going full blown Pre Crisis by momentarily halting the collision of two universes. The idea that he was durable enough to survive that alone speaks volumes. Then you have guys like Blue Marvel who one piece Hyperion with anti matter punches backed by ridiculous strength. If you follow that rabbit hole, you’ll see that Taaia, the mother of Galactus called Blue Marvel, Adam Kadmon. This is significant, because that has a deeper meaning. Adam Kadmon is a term from Jewish mysticism (Kabbalah), referring to:
• The primordial man
• The first emanation from the divine
• A perfect archetype representing humanity before corruption
• A conduit between the Infinite (Ein Sof) and creation itselfSorry had to share. I’m just saying that Marvel has some heavy hitters that are popping up and Superman isn’t that special any longer. Look at Storm, Jean Grey Phoenix, Blue Marvel, Silver Surfer, Immortal Hulk, Timeless Power Man, Sentry if he comes back, Thor Force Thor, Starbrand, etc.
Marvel is on the rise.
Supes was entirely removed from the HH tier.