If this was a Death Battle ithe difference in strength based on best of best feats make this one of the most lopsided battles ever. They’d say something like… Kurse would slap Eiling so hard it would rewrite the tectonic history of a lifeless moon. Eiling would regenerate and say “Round 2,” but he’d be putting himself back together with a cosmic nosebleed and a mild existential crisis.
Originally posted by Stoic
Fair enough, and to further shine light upon your deductions, my goal is to find out if Eiling can take planetary plus levels of strength, because that is the level that Kurse is at. Yes he is actually stronger than Superman was when the Justice League faced Eiling. Regular non sun dipped, because he forgot that he could do that, or was convinced that Eiling didn’t need that amount of power to be stopped, or whatever.On a generic battlefield that has no iron or weapons all we have are two strong guys one regens, but is unable to physically harm his stronger more durable opponent who can rip his arms or legs off and beat him with them, but he will just keep healing unless he is displaced or outright disintegrated. Kurse can not do that but the General has never been hit by power like Kurse.
Based on Shaggy Man’s ability to be KOd I drew a parallel. There may be none. Eiling placing his consciousness within Shaggy Man’s body, a body shown multiple times to be susceptible to KO, may have become immune may be a possibility. It doesn’t track but it could be.
However there is a limit to everything. Thor desire detractors has always been in the same tier strength as non sun amped Superman. This is seen throughout his history whether in battle with Hulk, Hyperion, Gladiator or the Surfer. Now Kurse is 4x that.
Stalemate? I gave Kurse 6/10. Eiling can’t actually harm Kurse in a vanilla environment or with the power of his fists. So Kurse tears him apart, Eiling heals and Kurse tears him apart for centuries?
Eiling actually upgraded Shaggy Man's body. It was a big plot point.
He added regeneration, for example. JLA(1999) does not exist, btw - that's JLA (1997), for a start, and that story 'The Bigger they com' is actually Amazo.
Thor and the Midgard Serpent, his greatest lifting feat was estimated to have been 432 billion tons well before his All Father boost. Kurse was measured by the Beyonder and created 4x that. The General exaggerated wildly to be able to move millions of tons, and that’s giving him a far more than ever published vs 1.7 trillion tons?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Eiling actually upgraded Shaggy Man's body. It was a big plot point.He added regeneration, for example. JLA(1999) does not exist, btw - that's JLA (1997), for a start, and that story 'The Bigger they com' is actually Amazo.
Yeah I looked it up. You are correct. I’m looking at it currently. Let’s talk stats. Canon stats.
I realize where you’re dragging this. Let’s talk stats. How strong has Eiling ever been shown to be? Based on canon feats that have shown his limitations like the time that he screamed in Walker’s face while cuffed. Again, we never saw Superman sun-dip while battling Shaggy Man so there ply is meaningless here to an extent.
Let’s talk stats. Kurse has stats that make Eiling look weak. If officials like those on Death Battle ruled this Kurse would be standing in the end under forum ruling . They are fighting in a featureless environment just going ham on each other. According to canon Kurse is too strong for this to be a contest. Eiling wouldn’t be able to do any lasting damage while Kurse would dominate through brute strength.
How strong is Eling? His strength doesn’t increase like the Hulk’s does. I have been looking through online comics to get a sense of his level of strength but see nothing beyond the multi million ton range and that’s being extremely generous. I don’t care much for semantics, just the numbers in case you missed that.
This is just like the time that I proved that Hercules would beat the mess out of Count Nefaria as you set there denying it due to you never have had a physical fight in your life, or got faded by someone who equally had no idea of how to fight. I mean if you really want to walk up this road. Mind your business and stop pretending that you know how I go about getting my information. If you have something to add, add it. If what you say is credible I won’t ignore it, and if accurate I’d switch stance in a moment. You just enjoy a Jaren, never really saying too much about the moronic answers and clinging tightly to the idea that no character can be written to defeat your favorite character, only to turn around lying over fictitious media. Hypocrite much? Moving on.
Originally posted by Stoic
This is just like the time that I proved that Hercules would beat the mess out of Count Nefaria as you set there denying it due to you never have had a physical fight in your life, or got faded by someone who equally had no idea of how to fight. I mean if you really want to walk up this road. Mind your business and stop pretending that you know how I go about getting my information. If you have something to add, add it. If what you say is credible I won’t ignore it, and if accurate I’d switch stance in a moment. You just enjoy a Jaren, never really saying too much about the moronic answers and clinging tightly to the idea that no character can be written to defeat your favorite character, only to turn around lying over fictitious media. Hypocrite much? Moving on.
Ha you proved nothing - your entire shtick with Nefaria was to misunderstand and misinterpret the handbooks, conflating skill with effectiveness. Don't get things twisted now.
You then ran after I proved conclusively that your usage of handbooks hurt your 'argument' (I use that term loosely with you, because you just threw some half-assed statements together). You first brought up handbooks as proof, then said Nefaria had no training, then shut your eyes when I showed handbooks saying he had some training.
Then I had fun at your expense showing how using YOUR 'logic', Jarvis was a more effective fighter than Korvac lol.
Originally posted by Stoic
Not a waste of time at all. The General lacks the ability to do lasting damage on a character far stronger and more durable than his attacks would possibly be able to achieve. It’s actually worse than a toddler attempting to beat up the world’s strongest man. Not going to happen.
Apart from the toddler carrying a gun loaded with that guy's kryptonite, i.e. bullets...
His vulnerability to iron doesn’t mean he drops like a vampire hit with sunlight, it just means he can be harmed by iron, whereas he’s nearly immune to most other materials. So iron is more like a “bypass key” to his invulnerability, not a glass jaw. It is a vulnerability not his kryptonite. Furthermore, Kurse’s durability is off the charts, he can take direct blows from Thor, Beta Ray Bill, as I mentioned earlier. So even with his iron weakness, high caliber or conventional iron bullets wouldn’t have enough punch through to penetrate or critically injure him.
So bullets are going to one shot a guy as strong and tough as a Thor x4 hun? Eiling in most showings Eiling relies on his massive strength level. This is t Frank Castle who has a standard of showing up to work with a hockey bag filled with high caliber weapons. If this were all it would take to drop Kurse, who I supposed stand there getting lit up by mini gun fire instead of ripping the weapon out of Eilings hands and doing away with it, bullets aren’t actually made of lead, nor does Eiling know of his vulnerability. I argue that Eiling in his Hulk-lite form does not show up with a mini gun as standard equipment the same way that Batman’s utility belt are his standard equipment.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ha you proved nothing - your entire shtick with Nefaria was to misunderstand and misinterpret the handbooks, conflating skill with effectiveness. Don't get things twisted now.You then ran after I proved conclusively that your usage of handbooks hurt your 'argument' (I use that term loosely with you, because you just threw some half-assed statements together). You first brought up handbooks as proof, then said Nefaria had no training, then shut your eyes when I showed handbooks saying he had some training.
Then I had fun at your expense showing how using YOUR 'logic', Jarvis was a more effective fighter than Korvac lol.
You’re a liar. Count Nefaria as I stated time and again to you , has about as much experience in actual combat as you do, or regular non trained MMA combatants that look for angles as opposed to hoping for the best like someone like you. The idea that you still believe that Nefaria locked at Hercs speed level would defeat a gold medalist in boxing, a gold medalist wrestler which is extremely dominant in terms of combat, and that he knows dirty fighting due to being in more wars than Nefaria could ever imagine would lose to an unskilled fighter that sits somewhere around your level possibly lower. Nor could you prove that Befaria is even stronger than Herc. Get your facts straight, I stopped after realizing that you have no idea how to actually fight.