Zod vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Stoic
Okay, we can use this statement, but it conflicts wildly with DC squarely placing Diana in the upper tier of DC speedsters. I think that due to dramatization purposes Mongul outpaces her to the target. Not that he is outright faster than she is Diana is more agile and faster than Mongul according to where she ranks in speed across the DC board. Her combat speed takes a ridiculous dump on his as well.

Originally posted by Stoic
Not at all. As good a fighter as Zod is Diana is better by a decent margin. He has crazy strength, she has crazy defensive maneuvers and hax weapons. Which is why in a scenario that their feet are touching the ground, she has the advantage under gladiatorial type combat. 6/10. In the air he has the advantage 6.5/10. Unless everyone is saying that she can’t take a hit from him? Or just as important her lasso would have no effect allowing him to brute force out of bondage, or she lacks the skill or/and speed to hit him squarely with her magical sword? I think it’s close, others think he pimp slaps.

Originally posted by Stoic
Not at all. As good a fighter as Zod is Diana is better by a decent margin. He has crazy strength, she has crazy defensive maneuvers and hax weapons. Which is why in a scenario that their feet are touching the ground, she has the advantage under gladiatorial type combat. 6/10. In the air he has the advantage 6.5/10. Unless everyone is saying that she can’t take a hit from him? Or just as important her lasso would have no effect allowing him to brute force out of bondage, or she lacks the skill or/and speed to hit him squarely with her magical sword? I think it’s close, others think he pimp slaps.

Wonder Woman fought Damage for an entire hour... someone that overloaded Parasite (something that even the Supers can't do) and he wasn't even in full transformation when it happened. She also handled Damage hits better than most. This alone gives her the edge imo.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman fought Damage for an entire hour... someone that overloaded Parasite (something that even the Supers can't do) and he wasn't even in full transformation when it happened. She also handled Damage hits better than most. This alone gives her the edge imo.

Congorilla straight up took Damage out.
Would Congorilla beat WW then?

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman fought Damage for an entire hour... someone that overloaded Parasite (something that even the Supers can't do) and he wasn't even in full transformation when it happened. She also handled Damage hits better than most. This alone gives her the edge imo.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Batman handled him better than she did.

Congorilla straight up took Damage out.
Would Congorilla beat WW then?

Wasn't this after Damage was drugged up?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Congorilla and Poison Ivy would beat her by that logic.

Didn't Zod have a one on one with Killer Croc?

Originally posted by carver9
Wasn't this after Damage was drugged up?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
which time? Also where are your Hercules scans, your Daredevil scans?

When Batman fought him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope, Mongul is faster as confirmed by Batman. Zod is even faster.

He won't accept that, lol.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Tbf, didn't Batman also confirm that WW had faster reflexes than Supes?

You're aware of the term retcon I guess.

Originally posted by carver9
He won't accept that, lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is the latest example as you say it, Superman>Mongul>Wonder Woman.

You're aware of the term retcon I guess.
Newer showings take precedence, don't they? You've said that yourself.

Originally posted by carver9
When Batman fought him.

So where are the Herc scans, the Daredevil scans, the Elektra scans?

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is the latest example as you say it, Superman>Mongul>Wonder Woman.

You're aware of the term retcon I guess.
Newer showings take precedence, don't they? You've said that yourself.

No, that could lead to endless disingenuous posturings. The new cheat code. At times when the math isn’t mathing correctly, we have to step in and find out why. One citing can support a particular narrative, while another could reverse it. Retcons aren’t in effect unless the story makes the claim. When Hal steamrolls .Zod this week and Mongul turns around and steamrolls Hal the week after that, does that mean that Mongul steamrolls Zod? Of course not. Most people know that Ares is a greater threat than Mongul is. Diana defeated Ares, Mongul would lose to Ares, Zod might lose to Ares. You see what I’m getting at?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Except it looked like there was a distance to be closed with Mongul. Both WW and Batman noted that Supes is faster in travel speed but specifically distinguished it for what they were talking about. So Mongul(or Supes) could reach the guy first to attack but still have slower reflexes than Diana. That's not a recton.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A BIG OOOOOOF.

"Lead does not fly like rubber. If you miss, the bullets will tear you. I do not have Clark's power - I cannot outrun them".

Edit:
Also I think you're confusing the speed that derived from training with reflexes speed.
Diana is faster simply because she is more skilled, doesn't mean in "raw speed"(as the comic used the term) she is faster. I.E, if a thing, which both of them don't have experience, suddenly happens, Diana actually won't necessarily react faster than Superman.

The same way she has an advantage in a running race(which Superman is still listed higher than her), it's not because her reaction/movement speed is faster, it's just because she knows some skills to help her running
https://ibb.co/G9kZgHX

For the record Mongul consistently defeats Wonder Woman in single combat so often, that if anyone asked me who would likely win I’d have no choice but to say Mongul wins, but for some reason it would never make sense in a forum battle setting.

You see, you have to run the numbers to get to the correct destination. while also using feats to back it. Writers love “hulking tyrant tosses Amazon across the battlefield” moments even when it’s not really logical. Meaning bias, because Mongul vs Wonder Woman in real time while would look a whole lot different than what the comics are trying to convince of. Diana actually operates at relativistic speeds while in combat, any combatant with a fighters IQ would tell you that a master swordsman would dice their unarmed opponent with their magical can cut through virtually anything sword.

In a real fight, Diana would cut his limbs off, anyone saying otherwise are lost in the writers perverse imagination.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Tbf, didn't Batman also confirm that WW had faster reflexes than Supes?

There was a clear misunderstanding to the citing. It isn’t that Mongul is faster than Diana lol because he is not. That’s kind of a funny place to have landed bro. A hi, you we aren’t understanding the subject matter the same way. Mongul was much closer to the target so even though Diana reads the situation and speeds to intercept the attack she isn’t fast enough to close the distance and stop the attack. This does not mean that Mongul is faster than Diana. He isn’t. You have to understand the subject matter and what it’s actually saying. Mongul being faster than Diana is about as plausible as Thanos being faster than Angela is. Math ain’t mathing.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Edit:
Also I think you're confusing the speed that derived from training with reflexes speed.
Diana is faster simply because she is more skilled, doesn't mean in "raw speed"(as the comic used the term) she is faster. I.E, if a thing, which both of them don't have experience, suddenly happens, Diana actually won't necessarily react faster than Superman.

The same way she has an advantage in a running race(which Superman is still listed higher than her), it's not because her reaction/movement speed is faster, it's just because she knows some skills to help her running
https://ibb.co/G9kZgHX

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Originally posted by carver9
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Edit:
Here is the distance between Diana and Trinity, as you can see, it's significant shorter than Superman's scans
Equus didn't fire the bullets, like, just in front of Superman
https://ibb.co/7dFP480H