Is there any version of Hulk

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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This was made abundantly clear:

Even during the fight with the U-foes, the Crossroads was explicitly all over the place:

When the Hulk actually went to a world where 'physics' applied, he either nearly died from the shits after eating fruit:
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Got pinned down by gravity many times Earth/got burnt by acid rain/got nearly killed by dinosaurs:

Got taken out by random energy blasts:

Or just got phucked up by a literal kid after he was rendered powerless:

The Crossroads itself was just a weird place where time and space were different.

Vector does the same exact thing outside of the crossroads... 🤦🏿🤦🏿

You're not getting my point (or rather, Juntais point).

I am not saying Vector DIDN'T repel reality - he DID.

Reality at the crossroads roads, though, is not = reality outside of it. Things are all screwy there.

Like how the Dark Dimension's physical matter was weaker than 616's. Fluff reality, as it were.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... I read the comic and I've also read the scan you posted. Its Canon to Hulk, abhi. Please read the comic.

This scan you posted doesn't say anything about crossroads being weaker. At least your trying. Are you going to show me where Superman ripped Darkseid from the source wall? Damn!!!

Is this the best you can do after twenty years here? I'm disappointed.

Originally posted by carver9
Vector does the same exact thing outside of the crossroads... 🤦🏿🤦🏿

The power of X-ray was too much for Vector to repel lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He straight up says his sudden power up has made him lose control of his power, at least read the words of the comic. That's not his usual power level and he has never showed that level of power before and after in real world. Here's his next appearance.

The power of X-ray was too much for Vector to repel lol.

You gotta be trolling. He fought Hulk with this same power up. This is the same exact Vector that fought Hulk. Why are you like this? Also, the one that fought Thor loss the power up. 🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿

Originally posted by carver9
You gotta be trolling. He fought Hulk with this same power up. This is the same exact Vector that fought Hulk. Why are you like this? Also, the one that fought Thor loss the power up. 🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿

Read the goddamn comic, it's Avengers 304.

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is literally the same vector which fought with the Hulk, it's literally shown in the comic.

Read the goddamn comic, it's Avengers 304.

You're so freaking stupid. The screne i posted above happened in incredible Hulk #304. THIS SCENE...

This scene happened in Incredible Hulk #305...

It literally happened in the next comic. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

You are an embarrassment. Then you try to talk like you know what yoi are talking about. They met up with Hulk as soon as they vanished. Dummy

Incredible Hulk #304 we see the UFOs in it (click on the image)

Incredible Hulk #305 cover shows them fighting.

Originally posted by carver9
You're so freaking stupid. The screne i posted above happened in incredible Hulk #304. THIS SCENE...

This scene happened in Incredible Hulk #305...

It literally happened in the next comic. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

You are an embarrassment. Then you try to talk like you know what yoi are talking about. They met up with Hulk as soon as they vanished. Dummy

Originally posted by carver9
Incredible Hulk #304 we see the UFOs in it (click on the image)

Incredible Hulk #305 cover shows them fighting.

You shouldn't be this stupid, how do you remember to breathe?

Originally posted by abhilegend
The same vector which fought with the Hulk (in hulk 305) fought Thor in Avengers 304 immediately afterwards. There was no loss of power for Vector.

You shouldn't be this stupid, how do you remember to breathe?

Prove it. He was trapped in that dimension for years. Prove that is the same Vector. Also, in the fight you're parading, Vector only used a fraction of his power. Keep reaching...

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Carver, the problem is that you're relying on unquantifiable feats. We have no way of knowing how much force was required for those showings - it could be a million tons for all we know.

ABC logic only applies reliably when you're dealing with the exact same type of force being exerted, and when you consider the average level of the character being scaled from, not just their highest feat. In other words, you have to account for both their lows and their highs to establish a realistic baseline to scale from.

For example, if Character A struggles with 100–200 tons when working out, but later holds their own against Character B, who has a best feat of over 10,000 tons, it doesn't mean that every character who has held their own with A is automatically "over 10,000 tons" in strength.

We should only use quantifiable feats that we can "reasonably" estimate from.

Reality warping force. Lol... that's whaf we are working with. Also, over powering abstract force as well.

Hulk punch a ship that dwarfs continents across space in a single hit...

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Originally posted by carver9
Hulk punch a ship that dwarfs continents across space in a single hit...

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I mean....the first comparison that comes to mind off the top of my head is Braniac's ship, which dwarfed Earth.

A ship that's dwarfing continents of a smaller planet isn't the flex you might think it is. Mars is like.....10% the mass of Earth.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean....the first comparison that comes to mind off the top of my head is Braniac's ship, which dwarfed Earth.

A ship that's dwarfing continents of a smaller planet isn't the flex you might think it is. Mars is like.....10% the mass of Earth.

I'm just trying to keep the debate going. I'm not saying this is the best. Can you post the scene you're referencing?

👆 I just wanted to avoid all this with mid level Superman and Hulk feats and just go for the top tier premium A grade feats that Hulk did, that Superman can't replicate (or in abhi's words, do it far better.

I'm just saying, this just makes abhi look good because he'll pull feats like Superman and MMH throwing Brainy's ship out, and then Hulk's feat looks puny in comparison (the machine was already in orbit, btw, and Hulk just gave it a hard push). Not to take away from it, I'm saying it pulls the feat down a bit because once it's already in space, with no air resistance etc, it won't take as much energy as you might think.

We are including shared fts? Also, like i said, im posting it to keep the thread going, nothing more. Any non-shared fts?

Thing is, even if Superman did 10% of the work (so MMH is doing 90%) it still absolutely poops on Hulk's feat.

Put it this way. The ENTIRETY of Mars is only as big as the Pacific Ocean. Braniac's ship was as big as MULTIPLE Earths - I think someone somewhere said it was as big as 40 Earths, EACH Earth being 10 x the whole of Mars. So the Brainy ship is like 1,000 times the mass of the machine the Avengers built.

Even if Superman 'only' contributed 10% of the effort, he's still pushing 100x the mass Hulk did.

If he contributed 1% (so MMH is contributing 99%) it's still 10x more mass than Hulk, i.e. Superman is showcasing he's 10x stronger.

For it to be on Hulk's level, you would need to lowball Superman so severely (and wank MMH) that Superman is contributing 0.1% of the pushing, lol, and MMH is giving 99.9%. And even then, it *only* brings it to Hulk's level.

Which also means you're saying MMH is like.....1000x as strong as Hulk, lol. That would be insane.

In short: MMH and Superman TOGETHER are 1000x stronger than Hulk, using the respective feats. How you want to split this (MMH is 500x, Superman is 500x, or Superman is 600x, and MMH is 400x etc) is up to you - but it's still stronger.

Martian Manhunter isn't in this thread... 😤 but I get what you're saying.

Originally posted by carver9
Reality warping force. Lol... that's whaf we are working with. Also, over powering abstract force as well.

ABC logic only applies reliably when you're dealing with the exact same type of force being exerted, and when you consider the average level of the character being scaled from, not just their highest feat. In other words, you have to account for both their lows and their highs to establish a realistic baseline to scale from.

For example, if Character A struggles with 100 - 200 tons when working out, but later holds their own against Character B, who has a best feat of over 10,000 tons, it doesn't mean that every character who has held their own with A is automatically "over 10,000 tons" in strength.

We should only use quantifiable feats that we can "reasonably" estimate from.