Originally posted by h1a8
How much is reality warping force? Is it a force, as in a push or pull?
How much is abstract force? These are made up terms. Provide a quantifiable estimate.
Its above herald level and trans tier level of power. I could be wrong but do you know of any Heralds or sky father's that mere presence is capable of ripping reality apart? I don't but again, I could be wrong (all of the UFOs were amped by the way. They are the exception).
Originally posted by carver9
Martian Manhunter isn't in this thread... 😤 but I get what you're saying.
Byrne Superman was throwing giant ships around space - iirc it was to another solar system. I can push a car, with great difficulty, but I can push it. I cannot take a smaller car and literally throw it. Magnitudes of difference there in strength, especially if you consider I'm at one of my 'weakest' incarnations.
But yeah, the Braniac ship - even with MMH (who was literally on fire at the time) - still dwarfs that Hulk feat, by a LOT.
Originally posted by carver9
Its above herald level and trans tier level of power. I could be wrong but do you know of any Heralds or sky father's that mere presence is capable of ripping reality apart? I don't but again, I could be wrong (all of the UFOs were amped by the way. They are the exception).
We also know that 'reality' at the crossroads is all over the place in terms of space and time and durability.
Originally posted by carver9
Prove it. He was trapped in that dimension for years. Prove that is the same Vector. Also, in the fight you're parading, Vector only used a fraction of his power. Keep reaching...
Originally posted by abhilegend
He straight up says his sudden power up has made him lose control of his power, at least read the words of the comic. That's not his usual power level and he has never showed that level of power before and after in real world. Here's his next appearance.The power of X-ray was too much for Vector to repel lol.
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk punch a ship that dwarfs continents across space in a single hit...
And unlike the machine there, it's unambiguously bigger than a moon.
Yeah that's the example I'm thinking of:
1. Lobo oneshotted a planet
2. Superman threw a ship the size of a small moon to another system
3. This was Byrne Superman, the Superman people usually say is the weakest.
Carver's example is like a strongman pushing a car and it crashes into a wall a block away.
My example is a strongman, without any training, picking that car up and throwing it into the next county. This is ignoring any size differences, lol.
Originally posted by Facee
I don't want to see who punched who or who beat who. I want to see lifting freaking feats.
In that case, we have Hulk pushing something that was apparently bigger than Martian continents (I think, though that makes no sense as Mars does not have tectonic plates as such) and Superman throwing a ship the size of a small moon into a different solar system.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Where's it bigger than continents Carver? Anyway, Superman throws a ship the size of a moon to another solar system.And unlike the machine there, it's unambiguously bigger than a moon.
Where did he throw it?
The entire planet, planet Sakaar was splitting in half. Hulk pulled the planet back together (he was weakened by the way)...
Originally posted by carver9
The entire planet, planet Sakaar was splitting in half. Hulk pulled the planet back together (he was weakened by the way)...
Originally posted by abhilegend
While being nearly depowered by starbreaker draining him, Superman seals a planetary level fissure created by starbreaker.
You're posting Byrne Superman level stuff lol.
Originally posted by carver9
Its a shared ft. I'm honestly not counting that. The threadster said post Hulk and Superman fts, not Hulk, Superman, and Martian Manhunyer fts.
The Braniac ship feat being shared between Superman and MMH literally on fire (his weakness) doesn't take that away. If I am able to lift an elephant over my head, along with my friend, that doesn't mean it's not impressive.
Also, you forgot to mention the moon ship, where he throws it out of the solar system.
Originally posted by carver9
It said he shifted the very plates, never said 2 plates. Also, it was said that the planet was splitting and he unbroke the world.
Originally posted by carver9
There's no friction is space, even DC has acknowledged this. So I can't weigh in on the ship ft. I'm also not considering shared fts. Superman has plenty of solo fts he can use tbh.
But you weighed in using Hulk's shared feat with Manifold, where Eden had already placed the ship into orbit ....
How large are those tectonic plates that Hulk is pulling together? How large is Sakaar?
So you're saying since there's no friction in space (lol), this means....what, that Alfred can do the same?
Originally posted by carver9
It said he shifted the very plates, never said 2 plates. Also, it was said that the planet was splitting and he unbroke the world.
"The crust of the very planet is splitting" not the actual planet.
Originally posted by carver9So you can't quantify it? Should we guess and say a million tons?
Its above herald level and trans tier level of power. I could be wrong but do you know of any Heralds or sky father's that mere presence is capable of ripping reality apart? I don't but again, I could be wrong (all of the UFOs were amped by the way. They are the exception).
