Cyborg Superman vs Magneto

Originally posted by leonidas
lol where has haovk done it? and explain how his physical strength increases the strength of the metal he is made of. better yet show proof. that claim is ridiculous even by your standards lol

Read some comics bro.

DS pulling scans for me is making my job easy. lol.

I've got Phildo locked up in my basement, crying, as I make him give me a daily quota of 3 shitty Magneto scans like ChatGPT.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

And there are plenty of times non-ferrous objects just defied him. It's not just a movie thing.

All characters have instances of bad writing, but none of that makes Magneto's powers dependent on ferrous metals. Any version that did wouldn't be full power Magneto.

Originally posted by Smurph
About half of that is pure talk, so hardly anything "defying" him.

All characters have instances of bad writing, but none of that makes Magneto's powers dependent on ferrous metals. Any version that did wouldn't be full power Magneto.

But it isn't 'just a movie thing', which is my point.

I disagree. Moments of shitty writing that post dates the movies doesn't make it a comic thing unless we are saying that his powers have actually changed.

This pre-dates the movies:

But whether the movies said it first (which.....it didn't) or comics said it first, isn't the point.

You said it was only a movie thing where Mags can't affect non-ferrous materials. But it is not. It shows up in comics as well.

This also predates the mopvies:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This pre-dates the movies:

But whether the movies said it first (which.....it didn't) or comics said it first, isn't the point.

You said it was only a movie thing where Mags can't affect non-ferrous materials. But it is not. It shows up in comics as well.

This also predates the mopvies:

Originally posted by abhilegend
See, everything I don't like is bad writing. Doesn't matter if it has happened several times.

I am going to keep shifting the goalposts. I want it to be from a specific time period, by a certain writer, and Magneto has to be wearing a certain shade of red before I accept it.

Also, I want 250 scans of this happening, before I admit that I made a wrong statement.

Also, this predates the movies. And made me lol:

'Remember, Magneto? You built one ship out of non-metal, just to see if you could!!!' *STOMP*

If your sticking point is my hand waving it away as a movie thing, I can nuance the point:

At full power, non ferrous metals are only a concern for movie Magneto.

Does that make this moot? I don't share your investment in proving or disproving the point but we can get into it if you really want.

I mean, with the definitions of full power, even abhi could argue that Superman brushes off Kryptonite. I can argue that Batman is bulletproof (without his suit) and a lightspeeder etc etc.

I am fully aware of the times Mags has affected non-ferrous metals and materials - as you have now caveated your initial statement.

X-men was released in 2000. Prior to, and after, this, Magneto has showings where he cannot control something as it has no metal/is non-ferrous. I was responding to this statement:

Originally posted by Smurph
Ferrous-ness only really matters to the movie versions.

Which was wrong, and you have now corrected.

I disagree, I think the statement holds up entirely. 616 Magneto's powers don't depend on ferrous metals. Only movie Magneto's powers do. You can try to cherry pick showings to prove that there are instances to the contrary, but they fly in the face of his established power set so well that you're proving is that comics aren't perfect.

But all that said, this point that you're trying to run with (that I "was wrong" and needed to caveat something) is also just... irrelevant to the thread. The point is that ferrous metals are of no consequence in this thread.

The comparisons to Superman and kryptonite or Batman and bullets are dumb.

Cool 👆

when tony fought magneto, he built a special armor out of carbon nanotubes instead of metal and magneto was unable to affect his armor directly. that was like a key point of their fight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Read some comics bro.

still waiting to see how being physically strong makes the metal he is made of stronger bro 👆 otherwise mags pulls him into apart.

Originally posted by leonidas
still waiting to see how being physically strong makes the metal he is made of stronger bro 👆 otherwise mags pulls him into apart.

Needless to say that Magneto has also been shown to be unable to affect beings with invulnerability as a power. Guess who is invulnerable?

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
when tony fought magneto, he built a special armor out of carbon nanotubes instead of metal and magneto was unable to affect his armor directly. that was like a key point of their fight.

Magneto starts with magnetism, and his next level of attack is find things to magnetize with magnetic fields and use magnetism. After that his options start running very scarce.

But thats not the crux of the argument. That whole thing started because I said something about it might be nonferrous so everyone wanted to go back and forth about it.

But the real issue here is that Henshaw has the ability to disrupt and destroy his power with Ion weapons and heat vision, or create nuclear blasts with his hand, and is otherwise simply too big, too strong, too fast.

And I'm not entirely convinced he could even manipulate CS' own body, either. He has complete control over his structure down to the molecular level as we see him change and alter the metal at will. And even then, I see no reason Henshaw can't do exactly as Cyborg/Victor did to Polaris.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kryptonian strength does.

I agree that he cant pin Henshaw down, but Henshaw can only apply Kryptonian force on the joints. Magneto however liquified the 1st grade adamantium on Wolverines bones to extract it, which means he manipulates the metal on an atomic level. Henshaw cant apply Kryptonian force on the atomic structure of the metal to keep it together.

So Magneto could win this if he applies this strategy. In other cases, Henshaw would likely win.

He went from this

Originally posted by Smurph
No, it doesn't. Magneto's power isn't just magnetism, it's manipulation of EM forces, and he has plenty of feats of manipulating non-metals. Ferrous-ness only really matters to the movie versions.

To this

Originally posted by Smurph
I disagree, I think the statement holds up entirely. 616 Magneto's powers don't depend on ferrous metals.

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Originally posted by leonidas
still waiting to see how being physically strong makes the metal he is made of stronger bro 👆 otherwise mags pulls him into apart.

Good luck trying to argue that Magneto can tear something apart which is invulnerable to Superman.