Cyborg Superman vs Magneto

Originally posted by Thinkerer
I agree that he cant pin Henshaw down, but Henshaw can only apply Kryptonian force on the joints. Magneto however liquified the 1st grade adamantium on Wolverines bones to extract it, which means he manipulates the metal on an atomic level. Henshaw cant apply Kryptonian force on the atomic structure of the metal to keep it together.

So Magneto could win this if he applies this strategy. In other cases, Henshaw would likely win.

Every time I see Karnak being used, people use the quote from Bruce Lee - 'boards don't hit back'.

Fine.

Adamantium IS tough, but as abhi says, it doesn't fight back. Henshaw took control of a planet, took control of a portion of the Source Wall, took control of 1 billion sentient robots, Apokolips, the Watchtower, the Alpha Lanterns etc etc....Magneto is going to have difficulty warping him, while Kryptonian-level physicals are hammering away at him etc.

Not to mention as Juntai said, HV and ion cannons.

I'm surprised Carver hasn't mentioned how he is Superman's equal.

Henshaw's technopathy/technokinesis is basically matter manipulation. It doesn't even need to be electronics. He controlled a bunch of old fashioned toys and turned it into a new body, transforming them into his Kryptonian cyborg body. He's crushed Steel with his own armor. He manipulated pieces of The Source Wall that broke off and turned them into a bunch of mini-mes as and that's not even the technology you would think of for his power.

Has Magneto faced something like that? I don't see why Henshaw couldn't use Magneto's own helmet to implode his head. Even if his magnetism could theoretically counter it, Henshaw might do it too fast to get to.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He went from this

To this

😂

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
when tony fought magneto, he built a special armor out of carbon nanotubes instead of metal and magneto was unable to affect his armor directly. that was like a key point of their fight.

For example, we know that Magneto can simply magnetize non-ferrous materials. But we also know that he can basically attack anything that has an electromagnetic charge, which is... everything. Everything made up of atoms, including comicbooky stuff like pure energy beings.

Iron is the go-to but it's not a limiter.

Originally posted by abhilegend
His metal parts are tougher than the actual kryptonian parts.

Good luck trying to argue that Magneto can tear something apart which is invulnerable to Superman.

what....the hell is happening? mag's can't affect invulnerable people? he can't take apart something because superman can't break it by punching it?? lol the process of breaking it down is 100% different. superman breaks things. mags rips it apart at the subatomic level. i mean seriously? superman sure as hell isn't tearing apart adamantium but mags liquifies it. good luck to YOU proving that borg's body>>primary adamantium. i mean wt actual eff...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Every time I see Karnak being used, people use the quote from Bruce Lee - 'boards don't hit back'.

Fine.

Adamantium IS tough, but as abhi says, it doesn't fight back. Henshaw took control of a planet, took control of a portion of the Source Wall, took control of 1 billion sentient robots, Apokolips, the Watchtower, the Alpha Lanterns etc etc....Magneto is going to have difficulty warping him, while Kryptonian-level physicals are hammering away at him etc.

Not to mention as Juntai said, HV and ion cannons.

I'm surprised Carver hasn't mentioned how he is Superman's equal.

that's a different argument. could borg resist mags' trying to tear his body apart? that's a different argument. you're example deals with scope--and the scope of borg's power>mags. could he keep mags from controlling his metal body? has he ever done something like that, or had too? he pulled proteus's energy form from his body. why not the same thing vs borg?

he has options. he's displayed planetary scale powers himself. of course the options won't mean anything to abhi 😂 but this isn't a stomp. borg is more powerful and would win most of the time. but mags could def make him work for it.

Originally posted by leonidas
what....the hell is happening? mag's can't affect invulnerable people? he can't take apart something because superman can't break it by punching it?? lol the process of breaking it down is 100% different. superman breaks things. mags rips it apart at the subatomic level. i mean seriously? superman sure as hell isn't tearing apart adamantium but mags liquifies it. good luck to YOU proving that borg's body>>primary adamantium. i mean wt actual eff...

lol at mag trying to control hank's body when hank is a technomorph who can constantly rebuild and adapt his body with his consciousness

this is peak hilarity, haven't had a good laugh like this in a while

hank is an energy being whose consciousness can inhabit and manipulate technology even if magneto can destroy the physical body hank can construct a new body instantly.

magneto having no way to destroy hank's consciousness means he lose this fight

^ Invoking Hank Henshaw's nature as an energy being given what Magneto did to Proteus is... irony? Do we have any of that left anymore?

lol, bingo

completely different scales
hank utilitzed vast amounts of tech from planets to space stations for his body
ain't no way magneto creating a emp that powerful
hank's consciousness travel at superspeed, magneto isn't fast enough to act before getting killed or letting hank escaping to another vessel

in fact prove magneto can control kryptonian alloys first. before we even get to the energy form

magneto can't encounter the speed blitze so all this is moot point anyway, he can also heat vision the jew to death or freeze breath

hank can even generate his own localized, targeted EMP or other electromagnetic interference designed to disrupt magneto's powers directly

magneto simply not powerful to get to the part where he can do all his fancy smancy, too slow, too human too weak

he can take control of magneto's suit and helmet as well

Originally posted by Smurph
lol, bingo

bingo my ass, odg is a chump, stop cheering for him, you are better than this smurph

Originally posted by Smurph
What's the difference?

Originally posted by Smurph
First I wouldn't take much stock in AVX period - but to the extent that you do, all the fight shows was that Iron Man thought that a carbon nanotube armor would give him an edge that it didn't.

For example, we know that Magneto can simply magnetize non-ferrous materials. But we also know that he can basically attack anything that has an electromagnetic charge, which is... everything. Everything made up of atoms, including comicbooky stuff like pure energy beings.

Iron is the go-to but it's not a limiter.

Originally posted by leonidas
what....the hell is happening? mag's can't affect invulnerable people? he can't take apart something because superman can't break it by punching it?? lol the process of breaking it down is 100% different. superman breaks things. mags rips it apart at the subatomic level. i mean seriously? superman sure as hell isn't tearing apart adamantium but mags liquifies it. good luck to YOU proving that borg's body>>primary adamantium. i mean wt actual eff...

Originally posted by leonidas
what....the hell is happening? mag's can't affect invulnerable people? he can't take apart something because superman can't break it by punching it?? lol the process of breaking it down is 100% different. superman breaks things. mags rips it apart at the subatomic level. i mean seriously? superman sure as hell isn't tearing apart adamantium but mags liquifies it. good luck to YOU proving that borg's body>>primary adamantium. i mean wt actual eff...

Well, it IS comics:

Interesting to note that this exact page is also frequently used to showcase how fast Magneto is......

so omerta's ability to simply cancel out mag's ability like magic is something the cyborg has now...? unlike omerta cs would need to battle mags mentally to keep him from manipulating his blood making that scan less than meaningless in this context.(though i THINK jun was speaking mostly tongue in cheek when he mentioned it...)

as for the hv and ion canon--know what else generates ludicrous amounts of heat and wipes out em fields? nukes. and his shields have handled them.

the difference between us is that for some reason you assume everything cs does will work against magneto in the same exact way his powers have affected others. i don't. i could def see mags impacting the metal of borg's body. or trying to manipulate his blood. what happens then? i guess it's a battle of wills. obviously you seem to assume henshaw's will>mags. i'm way less sure. i mean boodikka kicked his a$$ when it came down to his will vs hers directly. if mags could pull his body apart, he could possibly earn a win or keep him from reforming long to earn a win. but then again, destroying his body might let henshaw enter his helmet because i don't know if mags' shields would keep out his consciousness. i could possibly argue the proteus route more strongly (or use some of his other more exotic feats) but the proteus one is a pretty unique. still, it's not impossible i guess.

nothing anyone has showed me has changed my initial thought--borg is more powerful but this isn't a stomp imo.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, it IS comics:

Interesting to note that this exact page is also frequently used to showcase how fast Magneto is......

Originally posted by leonidas
so omerta's ability to simply cancel out mag's ability like magic is something the cyborg has now...? unlike omerta cs would need to battle mags mentally to keep him from manipulating his blood making that scan less than meaningless in this context.(though i THINK jun was speaking mostly tongue in cheek when he mentioned it...)

Of course, Omerta is more invulnerable than Kryptonians. See?

as for the hv and ion canon--know what else generates ludicrous amounts of heat and wipes out em fields? nukes. and his shields have handled them.

Wasn't he amped there?

the difference between us is that for some reason you assume everything cs does will work against magneto in the same exact way his powers have affected others. i don't. i could def see mags impacting the metal of borg's body. or trying to manipulate his blood. what happens then? i guess it's a battle of wills. obviously you seem to assume henshaw's will>mags. i'm way less sure. i mean boodikka kicked his a$$ when it came down to his will vs hers directly. if mags could pull his body apart, he could possibly earn a win or keep him from reforming long to earn a win. but then again, destroying his body might let henshaw enter his helmet because i don't know if mags' shields would keep out his consciousness. i could possibly argue the proteus route more strongly (or use some of his other more exotic feats) but the proteus one is a pretty unique. still, it's not impossible i guess.

nothing anyone has showed me has changed my initial thought--borg is more powerful but this isn't a stomp imo.

Of course lol.

Originally posted by leonidas
so omerta's ability to simply cancel out mag's ability like magic is something the cyborg has now...? unlike omerta cs would need to battle mags mentally to keep him from manipulating his blood making that scan less than meaningless in this context.(though i THINK jun was speaking mostly tongue in cheek when he mentioned it...)

as for the hv and ion canon--know what else generates ludicrous amounts of heat and wipes out em fields? nukes. and his shields have handled them.

the difference between us is that for some reason you assume everything cs does will work against magneto in the same exact way his powers have affected others. i don't. i could def see mags impacting the metal of borg's body. or trying to manipulate his blood. what happens then? i guess it's a battle of wills. obviously you seem to assume henshaw's will>mags. i'm way less sure. i mean boodikka kicked his a$$ when it came down to his will vs hers directly. if mags could pull his body apart, he could possibly earn a win or keep him from reforming long to earn a win. but then again, destroying his body might let henshaw enter his helmet because i don't know if mags' shields would keep out his consciousness. i could possibly argue the proteus route more strongly (or use some of his other more exotic feats) but the proteus one is a pretty unique. still, it's not impossible i guess.

nothing anyone has showed me has changed my initial thought--borg is more powerful but this isn't a stomp imo.

It wasn't some magically unspecified ability of Omerta, though - it was specfically due to his invulnerability, a specific word that was used by abhi/Juntai and specifically questioned by you.

I am saying like it or leave it, the exact specifici word 'invulnerability' is what prevented Magneto from affecting Omerta. And the same word 'invulnerability' is a property given to Cyborg S' parts.

It is interesting that the same writer who wrote the Proteus showing (Carey) also wrote Magneto unable to affect non-ferrous items.

Same storyline where Magneto is shown to affect photons (Dazzler) and is used as evidence (in other threads, but basically used to showcase his powers) is the same story where he cannot affect invulnerable people.

Originally posted by MrMind
anyway, he can also heat vision the jew to death or freeze breath