Originally posted by Jeff_Atello
Whatever. You're opinion doesn't matter to those of us who love Kevin and Quentin for the GREAT directors and writers that they are.
That's absolutely right, and fine with me. It's just a shame that people are too far in denial to see that Quentin Tarrentino has yet to put together a movie that isn't a direct ripoff of someone elses work, all the way through "Kill Bill".
They are both overrated.
I'll recommend:
Cider House Rules - Tobey Maguire, Keiran Culkin,Michael Cane. Great Film!
Igby Goes Down - Keiran Culkin again, Jeff Goldbloom, Ryan Philippe, Claire Danes.
Oh what the heck..browse through my list of fave films in my profile and check out any that u haven't already!! 😄 😄
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Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
That's absolutely right, and fine with me. It's just a shame that people are too far in denial to see that Quentin Tarrentino has yet to put together a movie that isn't a direct ripoff of someone elses work, all the way through "Kill Bill".They are both overrated.
Hey, whatever you say. I haven't seen Kill Bill becuase those movies don't interest me, but I have yet to read one thing that backs up your opinion. But that doesn't matter. There's no changing somebody's opinion.
Ocean's 11 was a great movie. Have you seen the original? It sucked. The re-make was so much better, but I'm not so sure about this Ocean's 12 crap.
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
It's just a shame that people are too far in denial to see that Quentin Tarrentino has yet to put together a movie that isn't a direct ripoff of someone elses work, all the way through "Kill Bill".They are both overrated.
Care to tell me how I'm in denial? How are they rip-offs? Have you consider that maybe QT includes homages to other films that have inspired him?
Originally posted by Jeff_AtelloI like heist movies, I didnt like this one. The cast is very good but the director (that I dont like) doesnt take advantage of that. Its boring and then predictable. IMO of course 😉
Ocean's 11 was very well thought out. I guess you just have to like heaist movies. There is no denying the superb acting involved.
Originally posted by WindDancer
Care to tell me how I'm in denial? How are they rip-offs? Have you consider that maybe QT includes homages to other films that have inspired him?
I've considered them as homages about as many times as QT fans have considered that he may not be as original as once concieved, which is about never.
I've had this same discussion with both Foxota, who never bothered to dispute my findings, as well as Evil Dead, who in one way or another met me halfway.
Where do I begin..Pulp Fiction - Adapted from the Pulp crime television shows and comic books of the mid 40's + 50's.
Reservoir Dogs - Entire story lifted from Japanese action film w/ Chow Yung Fat called "City on Fire". See IMDB.com for details.
From Dusk Til Dawn - Vampire movies done 100 times over.
True Romance - Rip off of TWO movies. "Bad Lands" and "Murder in the Heartland". One of Fairuza Balk's 1st movies.
Natural Born Killers - Same as above
Jackie Brown - Ripped straight out a book entitled "Rum Punch" by Elmore Leonard.
Kill Bill - Lift from a movie called "The Bride Wore Black", along with some out of place "homage" to martial arts films.
Just because he adds his special blend of excessive gore and trash dialogue doesn't make these his fims.
It's right there in black and white.
As for "Ocean's Eleven", I'm not too fond of the original, either.
I think the 2001 version is hip, smart, funny, clever, and alot of fun to watch. I don't know how anyone could find it "boring". It;s not an action movie, just a caper, the likes of which I am a big fan of.
If you liked that, I recommend stuff like "The Score", "The Heist", "Welcome to Collinwood", "Gone in 60 Seconds", and of course, "Snatch".
Not going to recommend "Lock, Stock" because I didn't find it that amusing, although it had an awesome Guy Ritchie cast.
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
I've considered them as homages about as many times as QT fans have considered that he may not be as original as once concieved, which is about never.
What you doing here is generalizing the considerations of people that enjoyed (or fans) QT films. There is a thin line in between Copycat and Reference is made. Most ppl that enjoyed QT films, are fans of different genres, and they are finally coming together. As an example: Kill Bill! look at the elements present in the film. Check this out:
http://tarantino.webds.de/tarantino/movie/killbill/articles/references-guide.htm
QT is well known to have watch countless of stocks films from different genres. Is possible that "similarities" do occur. The question is "authenticity" which is where the starting point begins. Rip-offs? If his movies were consider sucha thing. He would be held accountable for serious things like lawsuits by the originial creators of the other films. Tradmarks, Copyrights, patents, whatever you want to call it. QT isn't held liable for that.
Do you consider QT guilty of Plagiarism? Depends on how you look at it. Some of us see it as influenced.