A note to a few of you.
The Omega:
Thanks- You seem to be the only one who's paid attention to my post anyway. 😄 And, following the story line there's no other logical place for the phone call to be.
Shawny963:
Neo did visit the source, the architect was the source! That's what a system architect *is*! If you remember, the architect told Neo where the other door would lead him - to Back to the matrix - where he would have to select 27 humans to be released from the matrix, 14 female 13 male, to rebuild zion and keep the system in place. Also, there were six versions before him, which is more than likely probable if the machines had to redesign the matrix several times, along with the fact that NOBODY knows what the actual year is.
Mist & [/b]The Unknown[/b]
The phone call wouldn't be to the architect. He only designed the Matrix, and is nothing but a program himself. His phone call would be to the machines themselves. As all computer systems do, there would be a recorded log of sorts for the "mainframe" processor and the central intelligence for all AI - and, being a hacker, Neo would know that the log of his phone call would be flagged by the machines. Thus, also, the reason to trace that phone call for a place of origin.
JKozzy
The matrix cannot be destroyed without killing everyone connected to the system. Doing so would result in the instantaneous disconnection from the matrix - without getting out - which would kill the mind. Just as what happened to Switch and Apoc in M1.
This should clear up why the original matrix was released as a stand-alone movie, ending with the much debated "phone call" at the end of the first of the trilogy. Much of the information is taken from actor and director interviews, as well as the behind the scenes look at the first movie called "The Matrix: Revisited"
Plasma, you posted:
"the ideas for the second and third films were only conceived after WB "allowed the wachos to go ahead and write two more movies."
But this is actually false. The Wachowski Brothers had actually already written all three movies. They approached the WB studios to do the movies in 1996, and the friend of theirs they spoke with was all up for it - except they wanted to direct it themselves. He told them that they would not receive a budget for it at all, nor would they be given a 3 movie contract for the trilogy since they had little to no prior directing experience.
The solution was this:
In 1996 they wrote and directed (after the writing of the three matrix movies) a movie called "Bound". It was a low budget flick that did pretty good for it's class.
After working with WB they came to these terms on the Matrix movies - they would film the first one, to see how it would do in the box office, if it did well then they would have a contract for the next two. In which case they would get brand new studio facilities (built between 1999 and 2001 in Australia) and they would start screening for actors to fill the vast amount of remaining parts.
The CGI department went to work almost immediately after the success of M1, and filming would have started sooner, but the building of the new facilities, and Singer/Actress Allahya's death just before filming of Niobe's part postponed the movie some, since they had to find a replacement for Niobe.
AliasNeo15
What exactly doesn't make sense? Yes, he placed the call within the matrix, from the safety of the matrix to avoid being killed by a sentinel. The sentinels presumably have a data stream input from the matrix, thus they know, through chain of command, or through direct input, what happens inside the matrix. A massive computer system would have to store a log file of every action that happens inside the matrix - this is how Smith would have gotten the file on Neo in M1 when they took him to the FBI interrogation room. They even had photos of him "helping [his] land lady take out her garbage". Now do you suppose the agents were there photographing this? I fear not. That would involve to much in the means of system resources for the Smith program. It was just logged for reference in-case they needed to pull the file on someone who became a threat to the matrix.
So when Neo places his phone call, inside the matrix, it would be logged and recorded. They would realize this was from someone who is not a part of the matrix and flag the message for immediate review. The world governments also do this, it's a surveillance program, similar to the FBI's Carnivore project, called Echelon (if I spelled it right). If you say the word bomb on the phone, or even in this forum post, the message is recorded, flagged, and marked for follow up in the vast facilities across the globe that are run by members of the United Nations. This would be the premise for such a system in the matrix.
"Neo did visit the source, the architect was the source! That's what a system architect *is*! If you remember, the architect told Neo where the other door would lead him - to Back to the matrix - where he would have to select 27 humans to be released from the matrix, 14 female 13 male, to rebuild zion and keep the system in place."
Metamorphosis- INCORRECT. Sorry, but it you are going to correct others you must try and be accurate yourself.
The Architect says no such thing. He says the "The door to your right leads TO THE SOURCE, and the salvation of Zion."
Note- TO the Source. He is not IN it. The Source is specifically the Machine's mainframe, not the location of any one programme, even one who made the Matrix. It is not the Source of the Matrix, it is the Source of the machines as a whole.
He says the OTHER door "leads back to the matrix, to her and to the end of your Species."
And it is 7 men and 16 women, not what you said (two women for each man if you caount Neo as well).
And he says THIS is the Sixth version, not that there were six beforehand.
So please check your facts.
I didnt read the last two pages of this thread but you guys are really stretching things here. Why do some of you believe the W brothers are big Tanrantino fans and love to this scene skipping and rewinding crap? Give me a break. This will all be realized next week, the movie is straight forward.
"im going to hang up this phone and im going to show these people what you dont want them to see , im going to show them a world without you . a world without rules or bounderys a world where anything is possible "
This is simply telling the machines that he's going to show people the Matrix isnt real. Not ALL people. If he went on television, did an interview and showed the world his superman abilities, the entire Matrix would crash and everyone would die. He cant free everyones mind at the same time like that. Even if they COULD wake up in their pods, they would be defenseless. Theyre weak and have no muscle stregth, theyd be easy killing for the machines. So this is why Neo was freeing minds a few at a time.
Originally posted by dave123
yeah, but then the One would tell everyone "noooo, the one is just another form of control, dont do it!!!!!!!"
Or his memory could be wiped clean. He only remembers waking up from the Matrix and a few other key pieces of information (like the Oracle). Just enough to start the whole ride over again.
Originally posted by JediHDM
i think the one code is placed in a part of the memory that also holds longterm memory, so when the machines remove the one code, they remove his memory, then when they put in the "actual" code, they give him a new memory, or a "cleaned" memory
Yes, and I think that the matrix changes the new Zion's inhabitants' memories so that they believe that they themselves built the hover crafts, upload discs, constructs, Zion, etc.
Apology for straying on details but my opinion stays the same.
dave123
I couldn't tell you anything about metal gear. I can tell you that it is a real surveillance system that is in place. If you do a google search on Echelon you'll find a lot of info about it, including some photographs of the facilities, but just for proof it exists I took this quote from www-echelonwatch-org :
ECHELON attempts to capture staggering volumes of satellite, microwave, cellular and fiber-optic traffic, including communications to and from North America. This vast quantity of voice and data communications are then processed through sophisticated filtering technologies.
This massive surveillance system apparently operates with little oversight. Moreover, the agencies that purportedly run ECHELON have provided few details as to the legal guidelines for the project. Because of this, there is no way of knowing if ECHELON is being used illegally to spy on private citizens.
Ushgarak
You caught me with the numbers, I didn't have the movie running at the time. Thanks for the correction. I should have remembered 23, because 23 humans is another quasi-biblical reference. Genesis 1:23 is "And the evening and the morning were the fifth day." And the twenty-third chapter of Genesis deals with, not life, but death. Just as a "new" day would dawn on Zion, because the death of the city Neo knows would lead to a life of a new city, new era, new matrix - had he taken the door on the left.
There are many more symbolic meanings of 23 - short of the obvious - it's a prime. But that I leave for another time.
AS for the Architect and the Source. The Architect himself is not the source, he is but a program of which designed the matrix, he is the source of the matrix, AND, this taken into context, is not inside the matrix because you would have this paradox: Which came first the chicken or the egg? -- If the Architect was inside of the matrix, he could not have programmed the first versions of the matrix, he only interacts with it as do we with our computer systems. Neo's code is already out of the matrix at this point then, but needs to complete the process by, excuse the poor metaphor, "rebooting" the system.
Grammatically the architect is talking about "The One's" function in a third person sense, stating that:
The function of the One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry reinserting the prime program after which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix.
Another way to say this, in a less proper standard english would be:
Your is now to return here, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry from the matrix and reinserting the prime program. After which you are required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix.
Because he did not walk through the door on the left, the system changes that needed this "reboot" did not take effect, hindering performance of the matrix mind you, and thus did not come to select the 23 individuals to rebuild Zion. Now the machines are on their way to destroy Zion, and there is the possibility of a cataclysmic disaster when the anomaly reoccurs inside the matrix, if Neo's presence doesn't destroy it first.
And the sixth version, I apologize again, I knew better and should've checked what I typed a little more carefully.
However my point stays the same, the phone call would not be to the architect!! 😄 I may have strayed on the details a little 😮, but you jumped over what I was trying to say. BTW Not correcting, more of stating my opinion and take on the events - that's what we're here for!