hodgie: it's clear that the matrix does not, in fact, "end tonight," as neo says. he's probably referring to something else. the battle between him and smith, maybe. the whole "zion in peril" thing. but we know that whatever happens, the matrix will live on. there's that matrix online game that's coming out. the teaser commercial for it even says that it takes place after revolutions.
We do have a sense of time..
In M1, we do have a sense of time for which Neo makes his phone call, and it cannot have happened after the time frame of Reloaded.
For starters, his comment about "I can feel you now" does not imply that he can feel the machines. Remember, he is in the matrix when he says this. He is only implicating that he can feel and see the programming of the matrix.
Secondly, the last few moments of the movie it says "Trace Program running" and then is followed by "System Failure" If you recall, there was a trace program running in the very beginning of M1 when Trinity phoned Cypher. The trace was on Cypher because they wanted to capture the crew of the Nebberchanezzar. The system failure only implied that Neo was manipulating the code to his will, causing a recoverable system failure.
Thridly, the time frame between the first two movies was actually stated in Reloaded, and I quote "Consider that in the past six months we have freed more minds than in the last six years." This only furthers us to believe that Neo has been with them for aproximately six months to help free these minds. Also given that Neo himself still seems unsure of himself through the beginning of the movie only leads to further this.
Finally, Neo makes the comments about "I will show them what you don't want them to see" at the end of M1, with the operative word being "will." So he has not freed anyone's mind yet, but has implied that he is going to bring the system down. To bring the system down without freeing them first is strongly implied that they would be killed. This is done by Switch & Apoc's deaths from being unplugged while still inside, as well as comments by both Morpheous and Agent Smith:
Morpheous: "The body cannot live without the mind"
Agent Smith: (to morpheous) "The program was rejected, [They woke up] and entire crops were lost."
Then there is the Revolutions trailers that imply the program Smith is breeding like a cancer, if we look forward to the future, and that Neo is somehow caught between both worlds.
So the only logical place for that call is right where it is, between the first and second movies. Either way, I am in high anticipation for the final movie!!
now i've read the 1st post, so i'm just gonna say this
if that scene happens in revolutions, we have to assume it happens at the end, right? so that must either be the very end of the film, which would SUCK, or it could be before the last 15 minutes were neo gives a warning to everyone, which is pointless 😛
Originally posted by Evil Dead
Sifer is correct..........the Matrix was written (outlined, not scripted) to be atleast 2 films......it just so happens they needed to make 3 because they couldn't fit their large script for the second movie into one film.........this actually only helps lend credibility to the theory that the phone call is at the end of Revolutions........the Wachowski Bros. didn't know if the second (and third now) movie was ever going to be made.........they didn't know if the first movie was going to bomb or not. Ofcourse if it bombed there wouldn't be a sequel..........so they went ahead and showed the end of the story at the end of the first movie incase they didn't get the chance to make a sequel.
And to the guy who's talking about sunglasses...........who cares, they are sun glasses........to tell you the truth I havn't analyzed the Revolutions trailers to try and acertain which model of sunglasses Neo is wearing in the third movie.
the ideas for the second and third films wer only concieved after WB allowed the wachos to go ahead and write two more movies. M1 was a stand alone movie not designed to have sequels, there were added by request of the wachos and allowed to be made by WB after the sucess of Bound and The Matrix!
Ok. This is an un-endable debate. But, I would like to put across my Opinion. Why all the endless theories, conspiracies, what-ifs and why's?
I have my view on one certain Morpheus. That is not answering your question, that is merely being 'sociable' if you get my call.
My OPINION (not knowledge of the words that I say) is how can it be the end of the Revolutions film? I think that it is just the start of the end and beginning of both the first and second films. Its progressive. Then again, I might be wrong. But its good to have an opinion. Like Morpheus, I stand to believe
I just want to point out something that everyone has seemed to glance over in ever thread on this forum. Then again im probably just not seeing someone elses realization on this topic. Everyone continues to say that Revolutions will take place in a 24 hr time period because the prophecy was not true. Becuase by visiting the source Neo didnt end the war, and that the machines would reach Zion and destroy it if Neo didnt do anything about it. Well the film will probably take place in a 24 hr period where Neo saves Zion, but realize the prophecy isnt proven to be false by any means. NEO NEVER VISITED THE SOURCE!. Even he seems to miss this in reloaded. He tells Morpheus near the end that the prophecy is wrong, that the war should be over if he visited the source. But keep in mind the architect gave him a "choice" between two doors. The door on his right led to the source, the other to Trinity. Neo wasnt in the source when he had his conversation with the architect. Think about it, the prophecy may still come true.